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John G-
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 18:12:19

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 19:01:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Strong words for a member with no standing. Point well taken but if it is between no regatta and a long run at one location I vote RACE.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">In 1983-1985, I raced in the first three C25 National Regattas. The first two were held in Des Moines, Iowa, and the organizers had visions of keeping it there permanently, like the New York Yacht Club did with the America's Cup Regatta for so many years. At the 1984 meeting of the National Association, I persuaded them to let it move to another venue, in the best interests of the association, and it has moved around the country ever since.

Our members are scattered all around the nation, and they should have a chance to have their national regatta in their area, if at all possible. We can't absolutely guarantee it, but we have to give it our best effort. Since 1985, the national regatta has never been held at the same venue for two years consecutively. Only once in it's history has it been cancelled for lack of a venue.

The choices for 2008 aren't limited to racing in Cleveland or not racing at all. We're fortunate that Cleveland is willing to have it again in 2007, so that we'll have a great place to race next year, but there's plenty of time to find a different venue for 2008, and the officers owe as much to the members.

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saribella
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 21:14:14

I posted the following on the other nationals post.


I will talk to my local clubs as well as the Lake Michigan Catalina Association to inquire about sponsoring/holding the event either in Grand Haven, or Holland, Michigan. Grand Haven has a 54 transient slips that can be reserved for six months or more in advance, as well as having spectacular accomodations. It would be nice to have the event to coincide with such a prestegious event such as the Queens/Tripp Cup Races, which is taking place today and tomorrow. ???
It is my limited opinion that, if at all possible, a nationals race should be held in more of a central location which may increase participation. My 2 cents. http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10365_10884_18317-44310--,00.html

After I posted my initial response to this post, I immediately contacted Jim Meier from the LMCA Cat 25/250 Fleet. I am currently drawing up a preliminary proposal for venue and organization and will post it to see what kind of feedback I recieve. I may be new to the Cat 25/250 sailing community, but I am a pro at logistics and organization. If there is any interest shown for my proposal then it will be formally submitted by August 1.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 21:19:39

I am just going to throw this out here. I was very interested in submitting a bid for the 2007 Nationals, Or problem here at Windycrest is that in the same month we are hosting the 2007 Santana 20 Nationals, So the BOG didn't want to put forth the effort. I have not even thought about 2008, but with that amount of time, I might be able to go in front of the BOG and see if we could host here in NE Oklahoma. We have a great club, but we do not have a crane, so all of the boats would have to be trailer launched. We Would be able to make the space for getting the boats in or next to a slip, We have camping grounds and a place to hook up an RV. We are no high class YC but a sailing club and that is what we do all year long. I would need to first check with our Catalina 25 and Capri 25 members to see if they would want to take a step forward with this. I think that it would be interesting to get the Capri's on the line with the Catalina 25's or get enough for our own start. It just not going to happen in 2007. We have around 7 Catalina 25's here and 6 Capri 25's with another one coming in soon.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 22:24:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 

I don't know how others feel about it, but I would be unalterably opposed to having it in Cleveland for a third year in a row, and will consider it a major failure of the officers if they don't find a different venue for the 2008 Regatta.
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Strong words for a member with no standing.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 22:35:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
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The choices for 2008 aren't limited to racing in Cleveland or not racing at all. We're fortunate that Cleveland is willing to have it again in 2007, so that we'll have a great place to race next year, but there's plenty of time to find a different venue for 2008, and the officers owe as much to the members.
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Steve with all due respect the red herring of threatening the castigation of officers that will not exist for over a year may be well intended but is counter productive. Your personal opinion is duly noted by this sitting officer. Some of us expected a bid from Canyon Lake Texas for 07, it has not happened, that is the prerogative of those who would have put together the bid. No slate of officers will ever be able to exert their will on people who simply do not want to bid. Our job as supporters of the Nationals program is to ensure that everyone is aware of what a wonderful event they always are and the value of keeping the tradition alive, beyond that... we got nothing. Those of us who have hosted a Nationals will always help any bidder have a successful regatta in any way we can but first they must want to do it.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 22:44:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 

I don't know how others feel about it, but I would be unalterably opposed to having it in Cleveland for a third year in a row, and will consider it a major failure of the officers if they don't find a different venue for the 2008 Regatta.
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Strong words for a member with no standing.

Point well taken but if it is between no regatta and a long run at one location I vote RACE.
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Frank,
Answer the rest of his post.

 

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John, I will do as I please; thank you.
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For the first time in as long as I can remember there is no venue for the for coming years regatta.

“The Vice Commodore shall serve as Chairman of the Nationals Organizing Committee (“NOC”) and, as such, shall solicit bids from the Fleets to host the Nationals for the following year (Article VII). “

Good job Vice Commodore.
Oh that’s right anyone that doesn’t post on the forum is beneath your contempt.
No need to reach out to the fleets or anybody else.
If they don’t respond to your forum posts what good are they?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 22:57:53

Frank - I was contemplating a bid for the 2002 or 2003 Nationals for Canyon Lake. I e-mailed every Commodore of every yacht club in Texas (figuring this was the best chance for potential entries). I got two replies - one was negative and the other was "2 possible boats". Our problem is that we are too far from everywhere!
We have many C25's on the lake, but I'm the only one interested in racing. I've tried cajoling some others to participate but without success.
The other yacht club on the lake hosted the C22 Nationals last year with much success and 56 entries - but the C22 trailers a lot easier than our C25's (especially the fixed keel ones...)
Derek

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 23:06:45

Derek,
As I said, your prerogative and I for one thank you for looking into it.

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John G-
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Response Posted - 07/01/2006 : 00:27:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 As I said, your prerogative and I for one thank you for looking into it.
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You’re welcome.
I’m glad to see this dialogue about future nationals.
I hope that every venue is pursued and given an equal opportunity to have a regatta represet our association,

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Response Posted - 07/01/2006 : 05:01:09

Dear Officers & Members:
I missed this years Nationals after a lot of planning due to family and tow vehicle problems. 328 miles is a significant distance for me and became the ultimate obstacle I could not overcome. I attended the Nationals locally in 1999 because it was close by and had a great time thanks to the Lake Michigan Catalina group who organized and blended this in with their annual get together as it appeared Duane did with Cleveland Race Week. As I understand it there are over 5,000 Catalina 25/250's scattered all across North America. They are naturally clustered around prominent bodies of water whether they be a large lake, geat lake, or ocean coast yet we have only one Nationals that at the most had 28 boats attend. What about the other thousands of owners who might want to "race" but can only put together 9-11 boats at a maximum in their area because a Nationals only comes around once in a decade.
Maybe this has been discussed before but it's not going for the gold that we get together and "race" but to gather together and enjoy each other's company and compare notes and modifications to one of greatest small cruisers ever made.
Please tell me why the Association cannot sanction "regional" races that can be held annually by willing local clubs so that each year all Catalina 25 owners across the country know they can attend a "local" race somewhere and have a great time like I'm sure everyone did when the "Nationals" were held in in their particular area. Maybe this way the regional races can attract more and more Catalina owners to attend and naturally grow to their local logistical limits. If you know that 10-12 boats will come each year(perhaps growing by 1-2 a year) I would think the planning would be less ominous.
Ron

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/01/2006 : 08:17:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John G-
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 As I said, your prerogative and I for one thank you for looking into it.
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You’re welcome.
I’m glad to see this dialogue about future nationals.
I hope that every venue is pursued and given an equal opportunity to have a regatta represet our association,
 

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Huh?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/01/2006 : 10:59:05

Ron, it would be great if we could do what you suggest, but there are two reasons why I don't think it would work: (1) I don't think we could get people to organize that many events around the country. (It's difficult enough to find someone at one site each year to organize just one national regatta. I don't think we could find several volunteers every year to organize several lesser local events.) (2) If we can get a total turnout of 10-12 boats to attend the one national regatta that we hold each year, we consider that a good turnout. (Some people think a national regatta with only 10-12 boats racing isn't a credible "national" event, but, by comparison, the Pearson Tritons hold national regattas with about the same turnout, and there are only 2-3 venues where they can still get that many boats together for racing. We can still find venues all over the country where we can get that many boats together for a regatta, and, anyone who has attended one will tell you that the best sailors at our regattas would be competitive by any standards.)

I think it's unlikely that enough boats would attend a lesser local event to justify all the expense and the work done by the local people to organize it. (The national regatta is generally self-supporting, from a financial standpoint. It usually costs the national association little or nothing.)

Most C25 owners in the coastal regions and the Great Lakes don't have trailers, and, they can't bring their boats to a distant regatta. They could only race if we brought an event to their area. (Many of them are cruisers, not racers, and wouldn't participate in the national regatta, even if it was being sponsored by their own yacht club.) On the other hand, people who sail on small inland lakes usually have trailers, but they have a gazillion other perfectly understandable reasons why they can't or won't pull their boats to a sailing event. It doesn't do any good to organize an event if you can't get people to attend it.

Occasionally members organize cruises and use our forum to invite our members, and some of our cruising members attend who would not attend a racing event.

Organizing our national regatta doesn't have to be an ominous or burdensome undertaking. You can make it as complicated or as simple as you wish. Any venue that is already planning a regatta can simply add our event to their existing plans, and have a successful event.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 10:16:52

Travel is of paramount importance these days. Having said that, if there is interest in coming to northern Michigan to race, I will ask my club to sponsor the 07 Nationals. Alternatively, we might be able to tag on to the Bayfield Race Week in Bayfield Wisconsin - Lake Superior Yachting Association. There are about seven member clubs that participate, including the Thunder Bay Yacht Club, Thunder Bay Canada. Our venue is either inland lake 6 miles wide by 11 miles long, or lake superior. Bayfield is lake superior near Duluth and the Apostle islands. One of the Race Week races is a race/cruise type event in and around the Islands. No gaurentees however. If there is interest I will ask.

Edited by - aeckhart on 07/06/2006 10:31:50

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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 10:57:18

I attended the Nationals at the EYC and they were great. I would not hesitate to go there again.

I am new to racing and would even go to Florida for a Midwinter Nationals.

My boat is usually on the trailer and ready to go. I would love to see more racing series posted on the website. I am willing to go just about anywhere for multiple day racing. I would even do some racing/cruising events.

I will volunteer myself to the Association for any needed help.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 13:22:26

Thank you for the enthusiasm Dave, welcome to the association.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 13:23:31

Al,
I look forward to a report on your inquiries. Ask for any help you may need, we are all here to help make things happen.

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 16:54:18

David, I have been asking for the last three years to have local and regional races posted on our web site. To only be rebuffed, I have volunteered my services and I have recommended many Ideas for improving racing with in our association only to be left with the opinion that racers are not allowed to have the space or the respect to organize with in themselves as part of this association. So I formally request as and active participating member and the 2006 National Champion, please put on this years agenda the developement of a full fledged racing form for this association with an elected hiarchy so that we can avoid issues like these every year. This way the cruisers won't have to give opinions about which they never support or participate in.

Bill Meinert

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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 18:29:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 I have been asking for the last three years to have local and regional races posted on our web site. To only be rebuffed, I have volunteered my services and I have recommended many Ideas for improving racing with in our association only to be left with the opinion that racers are not allowed to have the space or the respect to organize with in themselves as part of this association.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Hi Bill,

The only suggestion, that I'm aware of, that was rebuffed was the request to open a separate Racing Forum, which recommendation I did and still do support; not that my support matters now. However, the ability to post racing information (whether schedules, invitations, results or pictures) under the Racing link has always been available and only requires people to submit the information to the Webmaster.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 So I formally request as and active participating member and the 2006 National Champion, please put on this years agenda the developement of a full fledged racing form for this association with an elected hiarchy so that we can avoid issues like these every year.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The most effective way to accomplish things in the Association is through the submittal of formal motions (according to [url="http://www.robertsrules.com/"]Robert's Rules of Order[/url]) that force the Officers and/or the Members to vote on the issue. Your post certainly sounds like a motion, so I'd recommend that you make it formal by submitting it via email to our new Secretary, Kevin Mackenzie. Of course, even if it is approved it will require a host of new volunteers to put it into effect.

Good luck,

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/06/2006 : 20:15:54

Lets do this, everybody get me your local schedules - if you can provide a link here it would be better. We can work on posting something on the racing page with Paul. I'll start with this

http://i-lya.com/Sail/2006FINALsched06.pdf

I'll add that anyone looking for a regatta that is the biggest on the great lakes check out the Bayweek Event at Put-in_bay. If you race a feeder race such as the Cleveland, toledo or detroit deepwater (Cleveland is a night race that will blow your socks off....) I believe the dockage is free.

While Club racing is always great, I think most of the guys here would prefer a weekend multi race regatta if they are going to pack up the gear and go for a road trip.

dw

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 07/07/2006 : 07:36:45

I appreciate Duanes and everyones opinion and look forward to going to the National Regatta in 2007. I think it makes sense to attach a cruise for a couple days on the backside of the racing - If you are trailering your boat, You might as well make it worthwhile as an extra vacation

for the significant other. Duane Did a great Job this year and I would love to go back there again. I would also consider Indiana and Al's work in Michigan as a venue. I think being in Michigan/Indiana would fit our criteria as an association for changing time zones.. Well close anyway!

. Duane did set the Bar high!

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 07/07/2006 : 15:30:46

Hey Duane, Now that is what I'm talking about

Now if we could also post the http addresses to them that would be great. I mean after we do the research and find them, do you want us to send them to you or someone else? If we had an elected full time RCC this would be a great job for him/her and the chief measure. By the way what does the chif measure realy do? Why do we need one? Do we need to redifine the job. It would be nice if the CM showed up at the nationals to do the measuring

I will be sending my proposal for a Racing Form to the secratary next week for action with what I hope will be a good lay out.

Bill

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/08/2006 : 07:27:02

Bill,

The chief measurer will be needed more than ever in the years to come. While we are not one design, we need to stay as close to one design as possible to help reduce future nightmares. By definition the recommending and writing of these new rules falls upon the measurer.

I will most likely be recommending about 20 rules additions to our class rules prior to my term in office. I believe that with our boats aging, we need to put some things in place now before we have 300 owners all buying different replacements pulling us farther from the one design realm. There are also some items that just need to be addressed we have some rules that remain in the class rulebook that have the look and feel of a non racing person writing them. As we approach election time, I'll probably be posting.

Beyond that I've been called by numerous PHRF groups, 3 times as many owners with questions regarding their boats, their local ratings etc. I've probably handled about 3 phone calls a month over the past 5 years.

In the meantime - Where are all these bids I've read about in this thread?

Edited by - Champipple on 07/08/2006 07:49:58

Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/08/2006 : 08:35:42

I have read all of the above posts.
I'm reminded of why I don't get involved with racing

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/08/2006 : 08:52:34

Maybe we should rename it the Annual Rendezvous Regatta.

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