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Frank Hopper
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Initially Posted - 03/14/2006 : 20:40:21

The host of the 2007 Nationals will be announced at the 2006 Nationals. Due to the 06 nationals being in June we will entertain all bids early with priority given to the central/mountain time zone for 07. Anyone wanting copies of former bids may have them. Bids must provide evidence of their ability to host the regatta and evidence of the approval of the hosting facility to commit to the regatta.

VII. NATIONALS:
A. The National Championship Regatta is an annual event hosted by a Fleet and that is sanctioned and sponsored by the Association. It is not an Association event and, therefore, is not guaranteed to occur every year.
B. The Vice Commodore, acting as NOC Chairman and by any means deemed effective and appropriate by the Officers, shall issue a call for Fleet bids to host the Nationals for the following year by April 1.
C. Fleet bids to host the Nationals shall be submitted in writing to the Vice Commodore by June 1 for a vote of the Officers (Article VIII, Section B) by June 30. If no satisfactory bid from a Fleet has been received by June 1, then bidding shall immediately be opened to non-Fleet organizations desiring to host the Nationals.
D. The Vice Commodore and the Chief Measurer serve to help the winning Fleet coordinate and promote the Nationals. Every effort will be made to secure the participation of those Fleet representatives most responsible for previously coordinating the hosting of the National Championship Regatta.
E. The Association’s sponsorship of the Nationals also comes in the form of temporarily funding upfront expenditures and deposits, and provision of a “stop gap” for any reasonable losses incurred by the Fleet for hosting the Nationals. The reasonability of such losses remains the sole discretion of the Association Officers. Additionally, the hosting Fleet shall be allowed to retain any profits generated by the event after a full accounting has been provided to the Officers.
F. The Officers shall make every effort to solicit bids to hold the Nationals on an East, Central/Mountain, West, East time zone rotation in order to attempt to provide the greatest number of Regular Members a chance to compete for the title of National Champion. If no bid has been accepted by the designated rotational time zone by June 1, then bidding will be opened to include all time zones with preference going to the time zone not most recently hosting the event. In relation to this section, Indiana shall be considered in the Eastern Time Zone, Arizona in the Central/Mountain Time Zone, and the 2006 Nationals shall begin the rotation in the Eastern Time Zone.

Frank Hopper
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/14/2006 : 20:56:33

I used the following format from US Sailing for my bid. The majority of which is posted - less some financials - on the racing page[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/racing/apps_docs/2006NationalsBid.pdf"]Racing Bid[/url]

and

[url="http://www.ussailing.com/Championships/HostBidPacket.doc"]US Sailing Bid Format[/url]

I used excerpts from that as we as an association don't have a formal process

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/14/2006 : 21:15:15

Mine was far less formal. What matters is the ability and the commitment.

I have made contact with the Commodore, Vice-Commodore, Facilities Manager, Harbor Master, and the local Catalina dealer and have received the go ahead to offer NSA as the site for the 2004 Nationals. We host a lot of regattas and there are only a few dates available. The best dates for NSA are the weekends that abut our NSA Fourth of July Celebration, either the weekend of June 25-27 or the weekend of July 9-11. A benefit of this is the regatta participants will be welcome to extend their stay and join us for the Fourth. The Catalina 22 nationals were held at NSA around 89 and they have requested to return several times. The local Catalina dealer is a past 22 national champion and will be a sponsor of the event. He will at least provide beer and emergency parts. We have right at a dozen 25s at the club. Our largest Catalina fleet is 30s. The Catalina 30 Fleet #42 will act as social hosts and makeup the race committee. Any Catalina Association officers or members that wish to be a part of the race committee will be welcome to lend a hand. In order for this to be the caliber of regatta that this organization deserves the lead-time for the event needs to be as long as possible. The itinerary at this point is for a two day regatta, if a three day regatta is desirable I believe we can accommodate that as well. I feel the notice of race for last year’s regatta is a fine scenario and our regatta would follow that model. I.E. Friday night registration and measuring, Saturday racing, Saturday night social, Sunday morning racing, awards, and hit the road! Our fees would be similar; our state park has daily use fees. Our club has free slip space for the guests. Our slips have water and power. Our ramps and hoist are free and available 24/7. (We all have keys to the 5-ton hoist and use it at will; it has a power washer and dump station as well.) Our camping area is a nice one. I am very sorry to say that we changed web hosts and our new site is not up to the level of the old site as of this time. http://www.ninnescah.org/ (check out the photo gallery) http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum21.html (my personal homage)
If NSA’s offer is accepted then I will serve as the point man between the national organization and the NSA. Please note the location of Wichita KS on a national map. There are excellent highways leading to Wichita and the roads to the club are all excellent as well. I hope the central locale will generate the best attendance in a long time. If you have never sailed a Kansas lake then I should tell you, there is nowhere to go, nothing to see, we just sail!
Feel free to call me or email me. I think the key issue is the dates. We have a CSSA Catamaran regatta, (http://www.cssasailing.org) a J-24 circuit regatta, the Sunfish Women’s Nationals, and of course the usual annual events. If we don’t lock down one of these dates now we will need to wait and host the Nationals another year.
Frank Hopper
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 03/30/2006 : 13:09:50

I hope it is clear from the wording of the original post that we accept bids from everywhere but give priority to the rotation as voted on by the members.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 03/30/2006 : 13:20:42

Was clear to me...

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/02/2006 : 15:40:46

As of this time we have still not received any formal bids. It is intended that we will announce the '07 location at the awards ceremony of the '06 regatta. As a former host I encourage all to consider this opportunity to bring a wonderful event to your club. All clubs are proud to host National Regattas. If you are working on a bid we would appreciate a heads up.

Frank Hopper VC

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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 10:52:13

I say that if nobody steps up to host the '07 nationals that they be held once again in Cleveland. Duane is rockin' right now and doing an exceptional job. In fact, he should just play host to it every year automatically! (take it from here Duane! lol)

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 14:15:06

Say, here is idea, Why not have the next Nationals in Key west during race week? It is a realy big show and it should be fairly easy to get a class organized and attached to the bigger show? We realy need to hold a southern national event this time. I know we have a good contact on the St Johns river, and Texas too. Lets go warm this year in the winter!

Bill Meinert

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 15:15:34

Our boats PHRF rating excludes us from Key West....However contacting a major regatta and asking for a class start is way easier to do. We could show up with our own awards and call it a day.

The only thing you'd lose at a Key West type event is the interaction - but that can be planned in the form of dinners and off the water stuff.

Bill If you want to organize a mid-winter warmup...take the ball and run.

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SJ
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 15:50:29

St Pete has a NOOD regatta in Feb, and Houston has theirs in Nov. They might be good warm venues....

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 17:05:07

NOOD is for one designs only...unfortunately we don't qualify for that either

Charleston in march

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 17:33:17

There is the Mug race in Jacksonville FL in May too Followed by the Dolphine Island Race in Alabama in May also, Frenchy and the Admiral could organize a combined race series too, In Jacksonville. I'll Make some calls about Key West. I just read the results from this years races, and they don't seem to care if you have your own class. I'll check it out.

Bill Meinert

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/03/2006 : 22:21:00

Bill been there done that. Maximum PHRF rating is 175. They don't want to sit and wait all day to hold a race and therefore don't want us there.

key west NOR section II 5.5 5.5 PHRF entries must have a PHRF handicap of 175 or less.
http://www.premiere-racing.com/keywest06/pages/KW06_NOR_part2.htm

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 09:05:14

Your right about that Duane, I just fired and email to the Rudder Club in Jacksonville to see if they would be willing to support us next year in Jacksonville. The St Johns would be a great sight for the Nationals, wide open, great places to visit for the family who sit on shore waiting for us, good hotels and it's warm. If that doesn't work I'll try a contact in Pensicola.

Bill

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 09:46:35

Bill – The big thing that always gets talked about and never done is a mid winter (march) regatta where it is warm. I’m hoping someone steps up and decides to do a national in the summer – but something late fall or real early spring down south would be a very very nice addition to break the monotony!

did I mention charleston in march...those guys are pretty friendly. we would probably only need 1 local member in that neck of the woods to get the ball rolling

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SJ
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 11:06:40

Duane,

Why would you say the we do not qualify for a NOOD start?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 11:17:39

If NOOD has One Design anywhere in it we (Catalina 25 or 250) do not qualify, heck sometimes it's a stretch to call us a "class design" our boats are so different. Capri is true OD.

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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 13:20:02

We are no where near a one design But I do sit corrected. Some NOODs have a handicap class...in fact almost all do.

However they are all trending toward IRC. Based on some reading, and research most of the majors will be completely IRC. IRC is expensive, I’ve taken a look at a number of options and theoretically we could probably get our various class types measured, but since we aren’t one design an IRC measurement would be required for each boat. That includes paying the measurer and any scale weighing cost etc.

Derek and I actually exchanged some emails on it in the past while looking at PHRF Alternatives.

Aside from that what a number of smaller national dispersed fleets are doing is picking a location and everyone goes and races. You race by the rules of the regatta but you have your own class in a fleet.

It would be a similar scenario with what I am doing this year with the nationals and Cleveland Race Week. I am still getting our own sponsors and our own raffle prizes, shirts awards, hats door ditty bags etc. I think the Association National Regatta needs that.

I do like Bill’s idea as a way to enable some regional events though and it should definitely be researched.

In closing – this has good potential, Nationals still needs some special attention, I was wrong about NOODs and I am still investigating IRC.

dw

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/23/2006 : 07:46:50

We are still looking for a bid. Grand Lake sounds nice! It would be fun to have a Capri host us.

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SJ
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Response Posted - 05/23/2006 : 09:19:28

I'd love to see it in Long Island, either the sound or the South Shore. Unfortunately my clud said that they would not be able to host as the schedule is already booked. I'd be more than happy to help out though if anyone can take the lead.

SJ

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/05/2006 : 10:31:31

Wow! I just logged onto Fleet 8's website, and they have lots of members in the Baltimore area, and appear to be very active. It's always good to have an active club with lots of members for a sponsor, because they can get a lot of participants from among their own members. Also, there are a lot of C25's on the Chesapeake, that could sail their boats to the race venue. Someone should contact Fleet 8 and ask if they'd be interested in sponsoring the regatta. There are also probably a lot of C250s and Capri 25s on the Chez that might also participate.

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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 11:53:34

Just putting a post here to bring the thread back up to the top of the list.
Good ideas here also Bill has a point on his [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13038"] "Nationals????"[/url] thread.

Underlined words are a HOT link.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 12:57:10

Due to no bid as of the end of the 06 Nationals we are in the phase of bidding that allows any venue to step up. All suggestions are now acceptable.

Frank Hopper
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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 13:49:13

Frank, A couple of years ago the Catalina 22 Nationals were held in Pensicola, in the winter and they had an OUTSTANDING time. We Had an OUTSTANDING time In Cleveland. If it is going to be in the winter, Bill may have a connection for Pensicola and Edgeater would have us back (And I would go) to Cleveland in the same time frame..
Sorry about the criteria for the time zone. BUT...If you are going to dance..You have got to dance where its held. In Pensicola they even organized a cruise after the races.. for those who wanted to spend a couple of more days.. Alan & Eileen

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 16:17:16

It's a shame nobody has submitted a bid to sponsor next year's regatta yet, and time's-a-wastin to get it in the works. It's important that the event move around, whenever possible, but if someone doesn't submit a proposal soon, I've heard Cleveland would like to have it again, and the people who attended are unanimous in praising the facility and the organizers. We would be fortunate to be able to have it there again.

Awhile ago, I suggested someone contact Fleet 8 on the Chesapeake. Did anyone do that?

I don't know how others feel about it, but I would be unalterably opposed to having it in Cleveland for a third year in a row, and will consider it a major failure of the officers if they don't find a different venue for the 2008 Regatta.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/30/2006 : 17:55:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 

I don't know how others feel about it, but I would be unalterably opposed to having it in Cleveland for a third year in a row, and will consider it a major failure of the officers if they don't find a different venue for the 2008 Regatta.
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Strong words for a member with no standing.

Point well taken but if it is between no regatta and a long run at one location I vote RACE.

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