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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 16:15:03

BTW, I agree about the toy/price ratio... You could probably find another '84 for $5K or less, but you'd probably hit 10K getting it up to that level of goodies. (New cushions alone = $1.5 - 2K.)

Brewer's is indeed a good outfit. The bargaining is with the seller, not the broker--the broker will present whatever offer you want. He'll take something off the top, unless the seller is buying something bigger through him--that's between them. He'll also be available when you want to look, trial, or whatever...

To find our many discussions on surveys, use the "Search" function above, look for "survey", and try both the General and C-25 forums. You'll see lots of threads, with me a proponent in many of them. Nuff said.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 16:41:58

Before you get to fired up on ANY boat go and take a look. Not all pictures are current, not all information is correct and "well cared for" can be just a mysterious a term as "just needing a little TLC". Being at Brewer is a double edged sword; if the boat is theirs from a trade they will want to deal however if it is a true brokerage boat they may not be motivated to put too much effort into it at such a relatively low price point. Take a look, invest in a survey if you like it and go from their. As much as I love our boats, their are a lot of them out their. CL has a few on the Island as well as on the Hudson and in CT listed. Their was a nice one in Westport CT listed a month or so back. Most of all, have fun -- it's a learning experience!

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 16:44:38

I've got some sailers in my family that would probably want to go but not anyone intimately familiar with the C25.. Sten where you from?

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 16:56:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 Before you get to fired up on ANY boat go and take a look. Not all pictures are current, not all information is correct and "well cared for" can be just a mysterious a term as "just needing a little TLC". Being at Brewer is a double edged sword; if the boat is theirs from a trade they will want to deal however if it is a true brokerage boat they may not be motivated to put too much effort into it at such a relatively low price point. Take a look, invest in a survey if you like it and go from their. As much as I love our boats, their are a lot of them out their. CL has a few on the Island as well as on the Hudson and in CT listed. Their was a nice one in Westport CT listed a month or so back. Most of all, have fun -- it's a learning experience!
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This is true. I've been disappointed many times looking at a boat in person. I don't want to get ahead of myself.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 17:04:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by av8rOC
 I've got some sailers in my family that would probably want to go but not anyone intimately familiar with the C25.. Sten where you from?
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I am in Tampa st.Pete... Masters license... Been cruising for almost 5 years on my C&C 39...

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 18:56:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by av8rOC
 I've got some sailers in my family that would probably want to go but not anyone intimately familiar with the C25.. Sten where you from?
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I am in Tampa st.Pete... Masters license... Been cruising for almost 5 years on my C&C 39...
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That's one hell of an offer and I may have to take you up on it. I am really impressed with this forum and how quickly you've embraced a newbie. Thanks everyone for all the help!

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 19:01:30

Sten's offer sounds like a good one. Don't pass it up.

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Response Posted - 02/12/2012 : 10:06:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by av8rOC
 I've got some sailers in my family that would probably want to go but not anyone intimately familiar with the C25...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If they've handled boats above 22', they will find the C-25 to be very basic and foregiving. There's nothing quirky or unusual about it. Just make sure you're carrying more than 3 gallons of gas (as described on the RI boat).

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Response Posted - 02/12/2012 : 10:53:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by av8rOC
 I've got some sailers in my family that would probably want to go but not anyone intimately familiar with the C25...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If they've handled boats above 22', they will find the C-25 to be very basic and foregiving. There's nothing quirky or unusual about it. Just make sure you're carrying more than 3 gallons of gas (as described on the RI boat).
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I have an uncle that has owned a few sailboats in the past including a '38 Hans Christian and just recently bought a Beneteau 473. My other uncle owns a Mainship 34 and is a maritime grad with his unlimited tonnage license. All of us have grown up boating in and around the LI sound.

I figured between the 3 of us and a good weather window the trip would be relatively easy and probably make for some good stories at least.

First things first though, I need to go see it. I work all week but plan to fly up next weekend or Monday to see it.

Aside from the "100% Genoa" question what are some other good questions for the broker?

-Sean

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Response Posted - 02/12/2012 : 11:15:42

I think you're covered experience-wise... Sten could offer a few C-25-specific pointers, but as I said, there's nothing mysterious about the C-25 for an experienced sailor--more the opposite.

The same goes for sizing up the boat for purchase... I wouldn't expect too much from the broker--his job is expediting the sales process. You could ask him how long it's been on, and how anxious the seller is... (You might not get an answer to the latter.) A surveyor should check out the deck core with a moisture meter, the outboard with a thermal scanner, wiring and panel (including shore power connectors), chainplates, mast hardware, swages, gudgeons and pintles, hull for signs of damage/repair,... They know the drill. You can watch and ask questions, and you'll get a report that prioritizes items that need attention (now or eventually). Your initial offer can (should) be made contingent on the survey, so any surprises can be entered into the negotiation (or you can pull out).

I could hop over to Wickford on a weekday, but generally not on a weekend--not that I would add much... I'll track down the Mystic boat and give you a first impression (and maybe take the temperature of the owners' urgency). The more boats you see to compare to, the better.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/12/2012 11:21:19

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Response Posted - 02/12/2012 : 11:32:30

One more thing about surveys... I'd be careful about having the broker recommend a surveyor--generally a good broker won't even do it. However, I can recommend [url="http://www.johnsonmarineservices.com/"]these guys[/url] for the CT/RI area.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/12/2012 11:34:35

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Response Posted - 02/12/2012 : 17:00:36

That's fantastic Dave, thank you.

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Response Posted - 02/13/2012 : 07:11:11

Did you make it over to see any of the boats this weekend? What was your impression?

I'll echo Dave's comments about a survey; I can see were one would be helpful. I didn't get one due to the cost of the survey compared against the cost of the boat, but now that the boat is ours, we're realizing all of the potential hazards (standing rigging needing to be replaced, rotting deck/hull core, decayed chainplates, corroded/decaying keel bolts or hinge pins, random leaks, transom problems, etc.) that COULD be there, and I can see where having a surveyor check that out (especially prior to purchase) makes a lot of sense.

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Response Posted - 02/13/2012 : 17:30:53

If you go today (2/13/2012) to New York Craigslist you will find three C-25's but drill down and look at the one in Fairfield CT -- it looks like it fits your bill (and wallet)

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Response Posted - 02/13/2012 : 18:36:16

Good eye Peter, The Johnson is a bit of a negative but it sounds like this guy is real negotiable. Just a hop, skip and a jump from Blackrock.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/boa/2819602871.html

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Response Posted - 02/13/2012 : 19:02:33

You may already know this... The tall rig (TR) carries the boom a foot lower than the standard rig--right at about ear level when you're standing in the cockpit. (The mast is 2' taller, and the mainsail is 3' taller.) This also affects the room you can have under a bimini if you decide to add one. There have been discussions here about using a different sail, such as a Capri 25 main, and other ideas for raising the TR boom.

No doubt a tall rig has some advantage on western Long Island Sound in the July-August doldrums, but will want to be reefed more often in May, June, September and October. I felt my standard rig did fine through the whole season along the SW CT shore. (I didn't race her.)

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Response Posted - 02/13/2012 : 19:22:27

While I admit that I have never sailed on a "standard" rig C25 at 6'2" I have never minded the boom height on my TR. Either way adaptations canbe made to suit the sailor but what I like about this CT boat is 1. the (claimed to be) original owner, so you know he knows his boat and 2. when they refence donation to charity who will use it they most likely mean "will negotiate for the right owner". Yes the outboard is a negative (although it was the standard for years on our boats) it LOOKS (get a survey!) to be in nice shape and the price is fair. I was thinking that maybe I could upgrade . . . . then again the Admiral has other thoughts . . .

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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 07:19:45

That one in Fairfield is on the short list. I plan on making a drive either next weekend or early next week to hit fairfield, mystic, and RI boats. I spoke with the broker for the RI boat and it is on the hard and shrink wrapped but he is willing to put a zipper door in to get a look inside. He wasn't sure about the RF jib size and he said the boat is owned by 2 partners who are going their seperate ways.

Very interesting about the lower boom on the TR, I didn't know that. I will be sailing this boat with my 89 year old grandfather aboard and a swinging boom is a concern of mine. (Along with other concerns about having a man that old on a 25' sailboat). He is in remarkable shape however. Gets around absolutely fine and his mind is still sharp as a tack. He still drives a limo doing airport runs for spare cash/something to do!

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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 08:15:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by av8rOC
 ...my 89 year old grandfather... still drives a limo doing airport runs...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">YyyyyyyyyyyIKES!

To LaGuardia???

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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 08:32:43

To LaGuardia???
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LGA, JFK, EWR, you name it. Drives the stretch. Hell he just sold his 40' RV camper this past summer. He drove that all over the country!

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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 08:48:40

My 84 year old Dad, who's summer vehicle is a Corvette, sails with me and helps me with both launching and haul outs.

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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 08:50:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 My 84 year old Dad, who's summer vehicle is a Corvette, sails with me and helps me with both launching and haul outs.
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Sweet!

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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 18:41:03

Sean: I just talked to the owner of the Mystic boat... It's actually in Gales Ferry (north of Groton) right now, but available for viewing on its trailer. I was right about the photo--he had it lifted out at the marina where my boat is stored. (Doesn't douse the trailer.) His new C&C is there now.

The keel is encapsulated lead, and it has the cockpit fuel locker and cockpit scuppers through the transom. The outboard is a high-thrust Yamaha electric start that he bought recently when his was stolen. I'll e-mail you his name and telephone #. He won't be home this weekend. Sorry--I won't have a chance to get up there this week.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/15/2012 18:56:42

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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 18:58:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Sean: I just talked to the owner of the Mystic boat... It's actually in Gales Ferry (north of Groton) right now, but available for viewing on its trailer. I was right about the photo--he had it lifted out at the marina where my boat is stored. (Doesn't douse the trailer.) His new C&C is there now.

The keel is encapsulated lead, and it has the cockpit fuel locker and cockpit scuppers through the transom. The outboard is a high-thrust Yamaha electric start that he bought recently when his was stolen. I'll e-mail you his name and telephone #. He won't be home this weekend. Sorry--I won't have a chance to get up there this week.
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Outstanding Dave, Thank You. It looks like I may need to make the trip early next week. I still have to call the guy from Fairfield and see if that boat is available to see as well.

Edited by - av8rOC on 02/15/2012 19:00:25

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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 19:05:12

Let me know when... It's conceivable I could meet you to look it over. It's probably less than a half hour from my place.

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