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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 17:24:11

Pick up a copy of Don Casey's Inspecting the Aging Sailboat

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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 17:34:50

Im thinking this has to be one of the last C25's built? A little out of my price range though and not a wing keel...

http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/2782631756.html

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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 18:06:36

That one's very clean, and has some good expensive upgrades already done. Personally, I would value it at $10k. You could always make him an offer.
It may be a little out of your budget, but there's little more you would upgrade/refurbish. If you bought one of the older models, you would end up spending another $4k trying to get it to look like that one. Spend the money now, or spend money and work time later. ;)

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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 18:37:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 That one's very clean, and has some good expensive upgrades already done. Personally, I would value it at $10k. You could always make him an offer.
It may be a little out of your budget, but there's little more you would upgrade/refurbish. If you bought one of the older models, you would end up spending another $4k trying to get it to look like that one. Spend the money now, or spend money and work time later. ;)
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I know it, its always worth buying right the first time. The only thing is I also have to consider the cost of shipping it here (600mi). That has to run 2k easy.

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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 18:42:07

I suppose it could be sailed ;)

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Response Posted - 02/10/2012 : 20:29:17

Yup--these days that's a $10K boat if all is as good as advertised. The '89-'91 vintage had some nice upgrades--particularly a lower, flatter cabin sole (since there was no sing keel offered), and thereby more headroom below. If you consider the true cost of a boat to include the difference between what you buy it for and sell it for, this one will not cost you any more to own than a less expensive C-25, and maybe less, given the (apparent) maintenance and upgrades.

There's an old saying that a $10,000 boat will cost you at least $10,000, no matter what you pay for her when you buy her. You can extrapolate that to any boat, vintage, and value.

My saying is a $10,000 boat will cost you about $16,000, regardless of what you pay when you buy her. And you might be able to sell her for $8,000 a few years later... The difference? It's called "SAILING".

Try joining a country club as an alternative...

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 08:42:06

Good advice dave.. I put a request in for a shipping quote just to see what it would cost but I figure even at $10k by the time I ship it it wouldn't be much of a deal.. Will keep looking.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 09:47:05

[url="http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/Catalina-25-Sloop-2394444/No.-Kingstown/RI/United-States"]Here's one in RI[/url] that looks pretty good. Given the roller furler, new 4-stroke, little dodger, and apparent condition, the asking price isn't outrageous. The only thing I don't get is the "100% jib"--that isn't what I'd put on a furler...

Now, have you seen our discussions on surveyors?

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 10:04:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 [url="http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/Catalina-25-Sloop-2394444/No.-Kingstown/RI/United-States"]Here's one in RI[/url] that looks pretty good. Given the roller furler, new 4-stroke, little dodger, and apparent condition, the asking price isn't outrageous. The only thing I don't get is the "100% jib"--that isn't what I'd put on a furler...

Now, have you seen our discussions on surveyors?

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You know I saw that one a couple of weeks ago and saved it to my cragislist favorites but somehow forgot about it.

Would it be a safe assumption that the 1984 would have the lead keel?

Also, it looks like but I can't be sure from the pictures.. does that boat have the cockpit drains in the transom?

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 10:04:51

Haven't seen the surveyor discussion... link?

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 10:17:34

Affirmative on the drains--under the I and the N, with a fuel line coming out of the one on starboard.

I am virtually certain the '84 had the lead keel and stainless bolts. (I am absolutely certain about the '85.)

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:35:47

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That's the one!!! Buy it before I do. New cushions are pretty pricey from Catalina or anyone for that matter. The dodger is a lot smaller than what I had, but it's way better than no dodger. Makes it easy for the off watch to hand up food and bevs without getting the whole cabin wet. Anchor roller with twin hooks? Hard to tell, but the hook is a CQR 25lb, 15'feet of chain is sketchy, but you can shackle a bit more on. Me likey a lot... Tiller pilot? Who needs viagra, this boat is making me uh, well, you know.

Solar panel! Wired for shore power. A REAL MARINE HEAD with 14 gallon holding tank? Holy Moly... Lazy jacks and a recent sail with double line jiffy reefing - like it...Boom vang and new roller furler??? And a spin pole? Be still my heart...

2009 outboard? Please buy this boat...

I paid $6,400.00 for my '82 and put new cushions, AP, lazy jacks, and a couple of hooks and a lot of chain and a bunch of other improvements and got asking price sight unseen - $9750.00

'82 engine, not nearly half of the gear list here... It's winter, cut a deal, this is your girl...

Edit: Also, it's listed by Brewer, very reputable. And Brewer has their own yards, so I'll bet it's been cared for by them. It's probably already been surveyed, but if not - I'd skip it if the hull isn't blistered, the keel bolts look good, and even those aren't deal breakers. Brewer is not going to sell someone a POS. They have too good a reputation. CALL NOW!!!!

sten

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:11:49

You think that's a good price? It certainly looks well maintained and is very clean but to me $7900 for an 84 seems high considering I paid $6100 for my 87 4 years ago and that was before the recession lowered all the prices. Brewers being the broker wouldn't thrill me, I have to figure they aren't very negotiable. Then you still have the transportation costs to get it here to the Island. I would definitely consider it if it were a local boat.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:22:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 You think that's a good price? It certainly looks well maintained and is very clean but to me $7900 for an 84 seems high considering I paid $6100 for my 87 4 years ago and that was before the recession lowered all the prices. Brewers being the broker wouldn't thrill me, I have to figure they aren't very negotiable. Then you still have the transportation costs to get it here to the Island. I would definitely consider it if it were a local boat.
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I could sail it down no? (No trailer).

And yes I agree that its definitely on the high side for an '84 but doesn't hurt to check it out and make an offer I suppose.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:23:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 [url="http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/Catalina-25-Sloop-2394444/No.-Kingstown/RI/United-States"]Here's one in RI[/url] that looks pretty good. Given the roller furler, new 4-stroke, little dodger, and apparent condition, the asking price isn't outrageous. The only thing I don't get is the "100% jib"--that isn't what I'd put on a furler...

Now, have you seen our discussions on surveyors?

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:34:35

If you buy the RI boat, I can help you move it if you provide the tow vehicle, or reimburse me for a rental. I'll provide the trailer, a Trail-Rite made for a fin keel C-25. My cost: actual travel expenses (I'm frugal) from/to Nashville, TN, towing an empty trailer, and $175/day for my time and the trailer.
Let me know if you are interested and we can discuss scheduling.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 12:41:12

Thanks David,

I think I would sail it back as I am across the LI sound on the north shore of Long Island.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 13:36:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 If you buy the RI boat, I can help you move it if you provide the tow vehicle, or reimburse me for a rental. I'll provide the trailer, a Trail-Rite made for a fin keel C-25. My cost: actual travel expenses (I'm frugal) from/to Nashville, TN, towing an empty trailer, and $175/day for my time and the trailer.
Let me know if you are interested and we can discuss scheduling.

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Buy me a cheap plane ticket and a couple of beers and I will go over the rigging et al and deliver it anywhere in the sound. Have epirb, big Ass Plotter, will travel.

Why trailer when you can sail and learn a few tricks in the process?

Sten

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 13:42:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 You think that's a good price? It certainly looks well maintained and is very clean but to me $7900 for an 84 seems high considering I paid $6100 for my 87 4 years ago and that was before the recession lowered all the prices. Brewers being the broker wouldn't thrill me, I have to figure they aren't very negotiable. Then you still have the transportation costs to get it here to the Island. I would definitely consider it if it were a local boat.
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Yes, that is a great price considering all the toys. How much is the Autopilot worth? How about the CQR, motor, lazy jack installation, newer sails ,as nauseum...

By the time you take a $5k boat and trick it out like that, you will be at $12k easy...

Plus the time to install all of that stuff... This one is ready out of the box. With all of those tricks, this is the cruiser to be had. Singlehanding will be a snap, and she will not have too many unexpected expenses... I stand behind it. Offer$6500...

Sten

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 14:01:34

Sailing it back is possible, I found my boat in Clinton Conn, roughly across the Sound from Mattituck. Didn't know squat about sailing having never owned one. It was 65 miles and I got it back to Glen Cove in 12 hrs but looking back now I can't believe how lucky I was with the wind out of the NW at 10-15. Only had to tack once. A lot of things could have gone wrong. If the wind had picked up ( Didn't know how to reef ) or changed direction or just the fact that this was someone else's boat that I didn't know anything about. Your trip would be close to twice as far and out in the ocean for some of it. You say you want to try sailing so I'm guessing no experience. Do you know anybody with experience willing to go with you for what could end up being a multiple day trip? I looked into hiring a Capt. to bring my boat back, Very reasonable. You pay them by the day plus expenses. You can also go with them if you want and get to watch and learn. This would take all the apprehension out of it and would be a fun learning experience, Get to know your boat type of thing.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 14:12:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 Sailing it back is possible, I found my boat in Clinton Conn, roughly across the Sound from Mattituck. Didn't know squat about sailing having never owned one. It was 65 miles and I got it back to Glen Cove in 12 hrs but looking back now I can't believe how lucky I was with the wind out of the NW at 10-15. Only had to tack once. A lot of things could have gone wrong. If the wind had picked up ( Didn't know how to reef ) or changed direction or just the fact that this was someone else's boat that I didn't know anything about. Your trip would be close to twice as far and out in the ocean for some of it. You say you want to try sailing so I'm guessing no experience. Do you know anybody with experience willing to go with you for what could end up being a multiple day trip? I looked into hiring a Capt. to bring my boat back, Very reasonable. You pay them by the day plus expenses. You can also go with them if you want and get to watch and learn. This would take all the apprehension out of it and would be a fun learning experience, Get to know your boat type of thing.
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Southwest to tf green. Pick me up and that's it...I can get a ferry back...

Under $200...

Sten

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 14:13:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 You think that's a good price? It certainly looks well maintained and is very clean but to me $7900 for an 84 seems high considering I paid $6100 for my 87 4 years ago and that was before the recession lowered all the prices. Brewers being the broker wouldn't thrill me, I have to figure they aren't very negotiable. Then you still have the transportation costs to get it here to the Island. I would definitely consider it if it were a local boat.
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Yes, that is a great price considering all the toys. How much is the Autopilot worth? How about the CQR, motor, lazy jack installation, newer sails ,as nauseum...

By the time you take a $5k boat and trick it out like that, you will be at $12k easy...

Plus the time to install all of that stuff... This one is ready out of the box. With all of those tricks, this is the cruiser to be had. Singlehanding will be a snap, and she will not have too many unexpected expenses... I stand behind it. Offer$6500...

Sten

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 14:35:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Buy me a cheap plane ticket and a couple of beers <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Just a couple? Sten your slipping...Sean, Can't beat that offer.

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 14:45:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Buy me a cheap plane ticket and a couple of beers <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Just a couple? Sten your slipping...Sean, Can't beat that offer.
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Los leader. I'll buy the sundowner Harpoon ipa.

Sten

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Response Posted - 02/11/2012 : 15:36:10

We bought our C-25 in Mystic and sailed (motored) her home to Darien--the delivery thru hell! Then I moved to Mystic and sailed (motored) her back--nicer trip but no wind.

Figure at least three days from RI to Huntington, and leave your schedule open for at least five. Examples of stops are Stonington, CT (my neighborhood), Branford (or maybe the Thimbles), and then home. Those are three pretty long days. The Mystic boat could make it in two. (I like the CT side better than the Long Island side, mostly because there are a lot more stop-over options and places to run and hide.)

Don't do this trip without an experienced sailor with you--a "Learning to Sail" book isn't quite enough.

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