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frog0911
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Initially Posted - 03/17/2004 : 17:13:51

Anyone have any drawings of the how the outhaul is setup in the boom. My C250 manual has drawings for everything but the outhaul. I want to run it back to the cockpit, but the rope is 10 feet short. I presently added a 10 foot section, using my Boy Scout skills, but would preferr a continous rope section to the cockpit.

Frog and The General

C250, Pretty Penny II, #743
FLEET 25
Coronado 15, M-Cube, #3316

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/17/2004 : 17:38:53

Jerry, I think it looks like this

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 03/17/2004 : 23:48:49

My manual says there is 24 feet of wire and 17 feet of rope that compose the outhaul. I guess, I will just have to take the boom apart and find out. The manual doesn't mention anything about a purchase being installed, but with 24 feet of wire I would be supprised if there wasn't.
Aryln, thanks for the drawing. I will not being doing the boom diassemble until after the Mug Race, just to many other things to do with the my son's wedding in April and the race right on top of it.

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Tony Partain
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Response Posted - 05/02/2004 : 17:07:38

Frog did you ever get to take apart your boom and check out the configuration of the outhaul? If so how did you run it aft?

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 00:50:53

I have not taken the boom apart yet to replace the rope portion. What I did temporarily was to pull the present outhaul line out the front of the boom run it down to a block at the foot of the mast then through a deck orgainizer, add 15 feet of line to it and feed through a clutch. Doesn't look that good since the line color does not match, but in function it works great.

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Tony Partain
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 10:28:53

I plan on doing this next weekend. On the attachment of the rope clutches and deck organisers to the deck are they thru bolted or threaded into the outer skin?

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 10:34:02

What I did temporarily was to pull the present outhaul line out the front of the boom run it down to a block at the foot of the mast then through a deck orgainizer, add 15 feet of line to it and feed through a clutch. Doesn't look that good since the line color does not match ... - Jerry

Well, isn't that just like an old Air Force geezer?! He buys a brand spankin' new boat, then trashes it out!

How do you like your new boat so far, Jerry? Are you ready for the upcoming race? How's the new outboard?

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 13:10:41

Well I might as well tell all here and now, so here goes.
The motor has been great. I ran down to Palatka on Thursday with the engine, even though the winds were 16 gust to 20 quartering off the port bow since the motor need to get broke in anyway. I ran half throttle averaging 6.2MPH while getting constantly sprayed with cold water, 70 degrees, for the six hours and 50 minutes it took to run the 42.5 miles. The engine used 5.25 gallons for the trip or .76 GPH. Much, much better than my old motor which use 8.5 gallons for the trip.
My orginal intent was to stop at a friend's house on the river and spend the night. Well I missed it, since I had not been there before from the water. To make a long story short I was leaving the dock at the Holiday Inn to head back to his house when the rudder got stuck in a submerged pile, like and axe in a piece of green wood, there was no way we could pull it out and since the rudder was now four inches away from the transom I was worry about breaking it. The pintle safety ring finally broke and the rudder came out of the gudgeons. My buddy came an picked me up and we spent four hours straighting the pintles the best we could and said a little prayer that they would drop back into place without binding. Everything worked perfectly and we took off the Saturday morning in the race. Tom, in his C25 took off four minutes after me and went by me like a shot with his big spinnaker flying. He was the first C25/250 to finished an hour before the next C25/250. As for me, PennyII eventually got to the Mug rounding point in NE at 10 winds in constant rain and isolated thundrstorms. As we rounded the Mug the wind started swinging from the NE to S at 40 gust to 50 back and forth and PennyII made a 720 completely out of control. The mainsheet got riped out of my hand through becket and was five feet out in the water. We finally re-aquired some control 30 feet from the bridge with the jib rolled in to 50% and the main going were the wind wanted to take it. We got the mainsheet back when the main flew across the boat, let the main down pulled in the first reef with the winch and then tried to get the main back up, but could not, winch or no winch. We were the cork on the water, but feeling better since we were moving away from the bridge. I finally decided that I was not sure we could get any postive control so dropped the main completely dropped the engine and got some control velocity and head home. By the time we got into the lake the storm had past so we could relax a little. Needles to say the last hour of the race was a heart pounding experience. We learned a great deal about the C250 Saturday and expect to do a few more mods for just in case this or that happens.
That is about it for the race and motor and if the rain quits I need to roll out the jib and let it dry and then roll it up again. We were able to get the main done yesterday before the winds came up. I still have to order new pintles. The straighten ones I'll keep for one of those just in case things.

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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 23:22:17

Jerry: Did you have your new rudder on the boat? How did it hold up? Mine is already starting to crack...there must be some kind of design defect or manufacturing defect in the C250 rudders. Hopefully I will get a chance to discuss that issue with Catalina in the near future....Dan #727

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 05/03/2004 : 23:44:30

Hey Dan, How's things?!

I can't recall....I know you had nasty spider cracks on your hull

, and I think you were among the many of us that experienced the rudder cracking, so after your rudder was repaired it is cracking again? Something to look foward to..? Ugh

Hey Jerry, don't cha just love the swing of Florida weather, I'm still amazed when the rain falls only on one side of the street, like a wall. Glad you were not injured.

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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 01:25:22

Hey Suzie...It looks like my boat is going back to the factory to repair the "gel coat crazing" or "spider cracks" on May 10th

. It was a long and slow process with Catalina to reach an agreement on what was going to be done...and when I finally retained an attorney

things seemed to come together much easier.

Frank Butler has been handling the issue for Catalina and has been sincere about wanting to repair the boat, once he understood the entire story, and we have finally worked things out to get that done.

I had some gel coat damage to my rudder when the boat was delivered and that was repaired by the folks who did the bottom paint in Sacramento...I did find cracks on my rudder when I pulled the boat out to get it ready to go to LA, so these are new cracks around the bolts on the metal plates, nothing yet like the problems with your rudder and Jerry's rudder.

I did find additional gel coat crazing on the deck at the rub rail in the middle of the boat, which is in addition to the initial crazing on the front of the deck...so hopefully it will all be repaired at the factory and won't happen again...keeping my fingers crossed. They are also going to repair the ST60 Wind System that never worked when the boat was delivered...so I'm looking forward to having that new boat that was ordered almost a year ago...

I guess staying dry in Florida is a matter of being on the right side of the street

It certainly did sound like Jerry had quite the adventure...would be glad to send some of our heat your way

Dan #727

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/04/2004 : 10:26:41

Dan, the new rudder was on the boat and it seemed to hold up fine. I really have not inspected it that close, but I can not see and of the orginial problems which were visable without doing anything but looking over the back at the side of the rudder. My dealer said Catalina has figured out the cause and corrected it. Something in the manufacturing process. I did not ask for details, but it he said it was the big rudder that supposely had all the problems.
I have lived in Florida most of my life and I, like Suzie, am amazed at the rain patterns. I saw the same type thing in Guam. We would be playing softball and watch it rain all over the people in the stands, but not on the field. This Saturday when all this occured the storm had actually gone past us and we got a back side downdraft. Back in my flying days we use to avoid the back side of thunderheads for that reason. Not all had them, but if you got in one it had the potential to rip the wing off and airplane. I do hope I never get caught like that again in this C250. Just to much freeboard to allow for any control in shifting highspeed winds without forward velocity. Without the motor I am not to sure I would have made it out of there without some bridge contact.

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 05/06/2004 : 21:08:53

Wow Man! Glad you were able to salvage the rudder. I had to mend a pintle from running aground with my C-22 once. But what I want to ask you is "How do all those boats sail under the Shands Bridge?" I've tried sailing under the Buckman many times and only succeeded a few because the wind is diverted by the structure.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/07/2004 : 06:52:00

It is not difficult to sail under the Shands since it is only one span and there is very little to no wind diverson. This year the wind was from the SSW so we just wing on wing sailed right through. Last year the wind was from the NE which required a tack in the middle of the span. Sailed in from the SW and out to the NW. The Buckman is a horse of a different color. Before they added the extra four lane span it wasn't that difficult either, but since, you must motor sail or drop all and motor through. The Mug use to finish on the north side of the Buckman before they added the span, but since then, the race finish was moved to the south of it just for the reason you mentioned

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Bob T
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Response Posted - 02/14/2005 : 20:37:22

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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 02/17/2005 : 12:13:40

Tony,

All of my clutches & organizers are caulked under the base plates & through-bolted to the interior of the cabin top. Don't forget to put acorn nuts or something similar on the ends (unless you like gouges in you head

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