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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 10/10/2003 : 17:18:01

Anyone else get the magazine? Look in the inside back cover and tell me what the crewperson in the striped shirt is doing with the red line to the spinaker?

Also - Did you notice that Corsair is advertising that the Corsair 36 (folding tri) can be trailed behind a family vehicle (6 or 8 cylinder) with a length of 36 feet and a folded beam of 9' 10" ? Seems like very misleading and dangerous advertising to me. I looked it up on the web and it weighs (approx.) 5500 lbs.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 22:08:52

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Anyone else get the magazine? Look in the inside back cover and tell me what the crewperson in the striped shirt is doing with the red line to the spinaker?
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Is the line coming from the center of the chute?

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 22:53:53

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Also - Did you notice that Corsair is advertising that the Corsair 36 (folding tri) can be trailed behind a family vehicle (6 or 8 cylinder) with a length of 36 feet and a folded beam of 9' 10" ? Seems like very misleading and dangerous advertising to me. I looked it up on the web and it weighs (approx.) 5500 lbs.
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Don't you have a Freightliner for YOUR family vehicle? Or at least a Hummer? Corsair is just going with the times...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 05:45:33

Actually, there's quite a few vehicles that will pull 5500#, assuming you don't put a motor or any personal belongings on there....1500 # of stuff is easy to do....

It's the "wide load" sign and the hundreds of dollars and days worth of hassle getting permits for the 9'10" beam that is conveniently not mentioned that irk me.....

Oscar, in Raleigh Durham making BU's

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 10:59:23

Boat, trailer, 20 hp 4-stroke, cruising gear... Sounds like well over 8000# to me. In some states, you'll even need a chase car with warning lights!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 15:25:42

alright, the line comes off the sail on the port (lee) side, all the way to a block at the port stern, up to a port cabin winch, and across to a crew person hiking out to windward.

Can't see where the line is attached to the sail.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 15:27:41

So can you imagine trailing a 36 foot boat on trailer, with 10 foot beam, weighs at least 8000 lbs, with a light 6 cylinder Ford Explorer? That is what they are telling buyers is OK.

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 16:06:27

I think if you have the bucks for a new Corsair F-36, you can probably afford any tow vehicle you want.

Just pick up a Turbo Diesel 4x4 Crew Cab F-450 with duals as part of the package. Likely you'd want one of those "This Vehicle Makes Wide Right Turns" signs thrown in too.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 21:12:40

Don't ususally get Cruising World...a day at an airport will prompt all sorts of purchases to pass the time. I noticed the same thing regarding our friend in the red/black shirt and sent Elan an email asking what his duties are supposed to be. If I get a response, I'll post it.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/12/2003 : 11:00:19

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Look in the inside back cover and tell me what the crewperson in the striped shirt is doing with the red line to the spinaker?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

He's playing the spinnaker sheet.

A spinnaker is a triangular sail, like a jib or mainsail. It has a head, a tack and a clew. The head of the spinnaker is hoisted up the mast by a spinnaker halyard. The tack is the lower corner of the spinnaker, to which the spinnaker pole is attached. (The pole can be adjusted perpendicular to the beam for running downwind, or it can be adjusted forward, for reaching.) The clew is the free corner of the spinnaker. The spinnaker sheet is attached to the clew of the spinnaker. If you could see the spinnaker in the photo, the spinnaker sheet would be attached to the lower left corner of the spinnaker (i.e., the corner nearest to the viewer). The spinnaker sheet adjusts the angle of attack of the spinnaker, just like the jibsheet does with the jib.

The spinnaker (and the spinnaker pole) is always set opposite the main boom. If you look at the photo, the main boom is to port, and the spinnaker pole is set to starboard. The outboard end of the spinnaker pole is adjusted forward, close to the headstay. That means the boat is sailing on approximately a beam reach.

The crewperson in the striped shirt is trying desperately to keep the spinnaker from collapsing because of the disturbed air being created by the helicopter, that is carrying the photographer who is taking the picture. (That might explain why the spinnaker was cropped out of the photo.)

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/13/2003 : 13:40:53

I have never flown my spinnaker. I'm not going to until someone with experience sails with me. Is that a common way for running the sheet on our boats? Clew to block at stern to cabintop winch?

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398

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Steve Kostanich
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Response Posted - 10/13/2003 : 14:04:44

Anyway...

Back to the Corsair 36 and towing it/tow vehicle. I would agree with Clambeach. If you can afford a Corsair 36, the additional cost of a BIG rig to tow with should be no burden at all.

SAIL magazine had an article on multi-hulls this month, and the Cors.-36 is in it, and listed at $199,000.00!!!!! without mention of a trailer!!! Tow vehicle is "no prob" for the guy buying one.

By the way, I just got back for a vacation in New England (I am from Washington state) and had a chance to see the Shariazod (sp??) in East Booth Bay Harbor, Maine. She is reported to be the largest sail boat built in recent times on the east coast; a 154 foot ketch. Main mast is 185 feet. She is a "high-tech" wonder of aluminum and carbon fiber at a cost of 20 million$$!!! You C-25 folks in that area should get up there and see her. She is IMPRESSIVE!!

Steve Kostanich C-25 Equinox 1119 sk/sr

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/13/2003 : 14:35:04

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Actually, there's quite a few vehicles that will pull 5500#, assuming you don't put a motor or any personal belongings on there....1500 # of stuff is easy to do....

It's the "wide load" sign and the hundreds of dollars and days worth of hassle getting permits for the 9'10" beam that is conveniently not mentioned that irk me.....

Oscar, in Raleigh Durham making BU's
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If your looking for permits....Which technically we should have if trailering our boats, check out this site, they will get everything you need at one stop....and they are releatively inexpensive.

(relatively)

http://commerce.permits.net/

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/13/2003 : 14:42:18

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I have never flown my spinnaker. I'm not going to until someone with experience sails with me. Is that a common way for running the sheet on our boats? Clew to block at stern to cabintop winch?

<img src="http://www.indiscipline.org/cat25/pictures/icon.jpg" border=0>Indiscipline 1978 FK #398
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I don't have the picture to look at, but thats how we rig ours...on almost every boat I've been on. The spinaker requires almost constant trimming during a race. Both, in this case, the person trimming the guy and the sheet have to work with the helmsman and possibly the grinder to keep the sail full at all times. The winch doesn't have to be on the cabin top, but should not be your jib winches if racing.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The crewperson in the striped shirt is trying desperately to keep the spinnaker from collapsing because of the disturbed air being created by the helicopter, that is carrying the photographer who is taking the picture. (That might explain why the spinnaker was cropped out of the photo.)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Funny Steve - I don't have the photo to look at to be sure, but most of those helicopters are high enough up that there isn't any problem . If anything, they would provide additional wind when coming from astern.

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/13/2003 : 14:53:13

Whose Ad was it?????

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 10/14/2003 : 19:07:13

Re my post of 10/11, here is Cruising World's response to my question as to what the man in the red striped shirt is doing:

Dear Sir,

If we speak about the same add the man with the red and white shirt is trimming the spinnaker.
May we ask you whay you ask that question?

Regards,
Elan Marine
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