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tinob
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Response Posted - 10/08/2003 : 14:33:35

STOP I CAN't TAKE IT ANY MORE.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. I "BRISTLE" Every time I read these posts, then I go to my '93 Johnson and kiss her bonnet. Flawless operation since day one. Starts first crank either manual or electric. A few years back she got a little cranky (he he ) her diaphragm stretched a little and I replaced it $17. As new ever since.

Seems I've heard other EV/Johnson 9.9 owners say much the same thing...Wonder if they are squirming in their chairs as I am when reading the tale of woe of Honda owners

Please excuse my seeming calousness but what was your reason for buying the Honda in the first place?

Has anyone collected these laments and sent them to Honda? Might be more productive, bitching there than here, glad however that you've brought it to light here. Till I hear otherwise I'll avoid Honda like the plague.

Val on Calista # 3936

Val Bisagni]<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df11b3127cce94709c5ff2e90000000010" border=0>

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 10/08/2003 : 19:22:55

Val,
The water in my gas was my fault, not honda's. I didn't have clogged jets.
My reasons for buying the honda were:
12 amp alternator which puts out 6 amps at idle
27.5" shaft-johnson's longest is 20"
thru prop exhaust with an exhaust relief port when reversing so you don't cavitate
Exterior pull handle (Yamaha's don't have this)
4 stroke

My motor has always started with barely a touch to the starter, until I got water in the gas

No other motor has all of these features-believe me, I checked.

Yes the older motors do work well, especially the 2 strokes. The newer ones meet newer environmental regulations, which being a lover of clean water and air, I support. (this means I'm not allowed to be a Republican, but don't worry, I don't believe in socialism or class warfare so I'm not allowed to be a Democrat either)

Would you believe that when I bought my C25 last winter it came with an older Johnson 15 hp motor and I gave it away for free. I gave it to a tech at work who doesn't make much money.

Frank Gloss
89WK/TR

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/08/2003 : 20:26:36

Hey Val... I NOTICED THAT! <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Seriously, I'm glad you're happy with what you have--that's the epitome of happiness. Too bad OMC doesn't still make an XLS version, or that they never made one with high-thrust characteristics. I need to find something to knock on, but our Honda has been flawless, once the throttle damper was replaced (under a recall). I don't expect it to withstand the abuse an older 2-stroke could, and therefore maintain it every year. Likewise, my car probably can't take the neglect that a Model A Ford could take. Things change. If I were one of the people complaining about my Honda, rest assured--I'd be complaining to Honda, and I'd be copying them on some threads here, as evidence of what's on the World Wide Web when somebody searches on "Honda".

Frank just ticked off most of the reasons I went with the Big H--almost as if he'd been reading the posts I'm sure you were alluding to! At this stage, I'd have to say I'd do exactly the same thing over again (although the new Nissan/Tohatsu offering merits watching)--I'm very happy with the '02 Honda 8. I may, however, add a water separater between the tank and the engine and/or start using "dry gas" additives. Clearly, the fuel quality is more of an issue with most newer engines.

BTW, weren't you hankering for a trimeran with an inboard V8 or some such thing? <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 10/09/2003 : 08:19:01

I believe Bombardier, the new owner of Johnson, still makes the Sailmaster 8 hp with the XLS.

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WGriswold
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Response Posted - 10/09/2003 : 18:27:13

Several posts have mentioned draining the delivery hose as part of winterizing the fuel delivery system on the outboard. How do you do this? I tried to depress the ball valve several years ago to drain the gas and damaged the valve. Is there a better way?

Wait Griswold
C25, South Lake Tahoe

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bear
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Response Posted - 10/09/2003 : 18:43:14

Wait,
I presume your talking about a Honda engine. For the last three
years I have disconnected the fuel inlet hose at the engine and run
the engine out of fuel. I then let gravity run the fuel back into the fuel tank. I can't believe any other outboard engine fuel delivery system is much different. "Bear" on the hard in upstate N.Y.

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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 17:07:58

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I believe Bombardier, the new owner of Johnson, still makes the Sailmaster 8 hp with the XLS.
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If so, I can't find anyplace where they admit to it...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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tinob
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Response Posted - 10/15/2003 : 15:03:31

Well it had to happen...new marina...great facilities...pool...volley ball courts...showers...finger slips...catering hall and on and on. The big plus is no loose dogs...no loose cats and hopefully no poops on the cordage. Also a bit more expensive but it's only money.

Winterized the '93 Johnson electric 25" with alternator. The original plugs were still firing but it was hard to believe they were. The gap was wider than any feeler gauge I have and looked to be about 3/32" probably more like 1/8". Good lord what was firing those plugs? More importantly the working area of the plug was loaded with what looked like black mayonnaise. Perhaps I'll change them this coming season. Starts every turn over either electric or manual. Hate to cater to a machine. If it stops performing I'll release it from its obligation and from its mount and toss it where it died.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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