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Capt. E
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Initially Posted - 06/03/2003 : 20:11:51

Has any Pre 2002 WB - 250 added the mainsheet traveler that Catalina has added to the 2003 wingkeel 250??

The Garhauer Traveler is mounted on the companionway step, and is only 28 inches long. Cost is $110.00.

Would like to hear pros and cons to this addition.

Looking to enhance performance.

Thanks for any responses you may suggest to me.

Eddie B

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HGraham
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Response Posted - 06/03/2003 : 22:17:56

No Eddie, but I would be very interested if anyone has.
I miss the traveler.

Ovation C250WB#543

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 10:46:37

Do you have any pictures of the setup.....?

Oscar
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Capt. E
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Response Posted - 06/04/2003 : 14:21:52

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Do you have any pictures of the setup.....?

Oscar
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HELLO Oscar, no pictures but the hardware is located on top ofthe step that enters the companionway. This is midpoint between the port and starboard benches.This is just above the mainsheet attachment point

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 17:41:36

Adding a traveler to the W/B has been talked about a lot over the years... and I think done by a couple of owners. The problem is... most critiques about the traveler have left considerable question as to the effectivness.

There has been about an equal amount saying that it is and it isn't... So that leaves the person considering the upgrade with some doubts as to going to the trouble.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Capt. E
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Response Posted - 06/05/2003 : 22:27:13

Thanks for your input Arlyn.

I'm going to jury rig my boom with my drifter sheets to see if I get any good results.

Have found a slightly larger track , 37", on the new McGregor M, and it's mounted closer to the companionway door.

Will let you know how things turn out.

Capt E
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 10:09:32

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Hmmm, Arlyn, do you recall where this discussion took place? I too have been playing with the idea, but indeed, if the results would be marginal, as the say in some parts up here: "fugheddaboudit"

Also along these lines (pun intended)....has anyone ever seen a four sheave on one shaft snap shackle? I thought about putting one of those on the main sheet, on a line pulling to the coaming to change the angle of the force, mostly in breezy weather to depower the main.........would be the same effect as a traveler, possibly more with a lot less hardware.

Oscar
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 11:14:37

Oscar, the history of this forum goes back to at least the mid '90s.

The leadership at that time encouraged more forum activity by not providing archives so that questions had to be asked anew. A few years later, the forum moved and was hosted by the Trailer Sailor owner. When we left there, those archives weren't easily transferable.

The present format is only a couple of years old.

More history... the C250 was introduced as a water ballast design with the wing keel version being added around hull number 240 (not exact)some time in '96 or early '97. They were provided with a traveler... shortly after a couple of water ballast owners added the traveler... one of those reported it was helpfull, the other said he couldn't tell it offered any thing.

Since those comments by w/b owners who added a traveler, several comments have been offered by wing owners about the traveler ranging from effective to not. I would install one in a heart beat if some assurance that it was worth it existed.

I will go out on a limb here a little. W/B sales had been sluggish in part due to poor reviews and in part due to handling issues on the c250 due to the rudder issue. I think Catalina believed it had a good design in the c250 and wanted to see it do better and decided to introduce it as a wing. In so doing, I think they felt that they needed to enhance the rigging beyond that provided for the more easily trailerd and setup W/B. Lines were led to the cockpit, self tailing winches were installed, and the traveler was added.

There were other changes which showed up on both models. A step was installed in the coaming, dedicated propane locker, additional fresh water capacity in more marine like installation, etc. All of these being items for perhaps a more discerning sailor who would more likley be upgrading rather than buying a first time boat and who would more likely be slipping or mooring their boat. Lets face it... most serious sailors get tired of setting up and launching when they get ready to go sailing.

Anyway, the traveler on the c250 IMHO has just not been validated yet. If there are those who have feelings one way or the other about it... lets hear em... so the rest of us can draw conclusions.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 06/07/2003 : 17:13:16

The traveler on my WK has proved to be an asset. Depending on wind conditions and direction of sail it does help the boat's handling. I am not skilled enough to consider adding a traveler if it hadn't been factory installed. I would miss it, however, if we weren't there.

Steve Raffel
C 250 WK #408

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Tray
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Response Posted - 06/08/2003 : 10:18:20

I went sailing with Ben-FL a few weeks ago on his WK. He uses his traveler, and it did seem to make a difference especially when the wind really picked up. However, it does not have a purchase system which makes it difficult to use under load. To compensate, Ben shifts the traveler just before tacking, and can then ease off if necessary following the tack. The track is also very short, but seems to work fine.

I think a traveler with a 2:1 or 3:1 purchase would be beneficial. Harken has a small boat kit that is 3:1 for around 3.5 boat units. All that is needed is the track, and I think there is room for a longer track, but it would interfere with my cockpit cushions.

I'm still considering this upgrade. I just haven't been able to justify the expense to the Admiral.

Tray
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