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Jweikel625
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Initially Posted - 09/08/2013 : 09:28:47

My boat didn't come with a boom vang. Should I have one, or did the 1980 model not come with one. I have the appliances at the base of the mast and on the boom to hook one on, but no Vang!

1980 SK/SR
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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 10:46:16

Yes, a vang is a critical component of mainsail control. Contact Garhauer.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 11:20:47

...or [url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=40"]Catalina Direct[/url]. They have properly-sized sets with and without bails--probably from Garhauer. You apparently don't need the bails.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 17:57:53

I'd like to see a C25 with the vang installed and led back to the cockpit if anyone has a photo. I have one on my 16ft daysailor and it's handy on a broad reach.

Edited by - Voyager on 09/08/2013 17:59:51

awetmore
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 18:07:11

Here is half of it:

The other half is a fiddle block on a bail mounted under the boom.

We just had the line long enough to run over the hatch and then you could reach it from the cockpit.

On my Pearson 28-2 I have a dodger and the vang runs through a deck organizer and into a clutch, but that is a lot of unnecessary complication and expense if you don't have a dodger.

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Jweikel625
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 18:13:02

Thanks, just looked at Garhauer, Looks like the 4:1 and 5/16th line should work???

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Jweikel625
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 18:22:51

I definitely have a bail on the boom, but now second guessing if I have one at the base of the mast. Will have to see this weekend when I get down. I haven't been down for last two weekends because of a much needed family vacation, but missing the boat!! Makes me wonder why the PO didn't have one on?? hmmmm?

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 09/08/2013 : 18:59:19

Ours came with a hound instead of a bail (you can see it in the upper left of that photo). We broke that while racing, so I put on the bail. I posted the part # for it on this forum earlier this summer, if you look through my posts you'll find it.

The bail is a lot stronger than the hound and fit right on.

I used Lewmar blocks and a good section of an old halyard for the line. I like 3/8" for this (easier to tug, weight isn't a concern here) but 5/16" would work fine. Looks like the Garhauer with line is a pretty good deal (as Garhauer stuff often is).

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 05:12:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jweikel625
 Makes me wonder why the PO didn't have one on?? hmmmm?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Have you looked in all the drawers and lockers. Sometimes owners put the vang there when they take the mast down. Also, I would call and ask the PO if he had a vang. He might have it at home, and forgot to give it to you. It's worth a phone call.

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Kennyge
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 05:23:51

I find it essential to use my vang as a preventer when doing downwind. The boat originally had the cam cleat at the mast bail but it was hard to release so I reversed the block/cam and moved it to boom bail and it now releases easily. I have the rest of the line resting on the cabin top so I can quickly adjust and release. I added a snap-shackle for the preventer.

Edited by - Kennyge on 09/09/2013 09:15:06

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 08:48:33

On TSU I had a vang led all the way back to the cockpit, using a block at the mast base, through a deck organizer and back to a cam cleat on the cabin top I found that if the cleat/block was at the mast base (as shown in the pic above) it was extremely difficult to release. I used 5/16" line on a 6 to 1 system.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 11:34:40

On both of my boats, the vang is/was set up like Kennyg's photo shows. The line is much easier to reach and adjust coming down from the boom. On the C-25, I would suggest 5/16" line. 1/4" will work, but 5/16" is easier on the hands. If you are planning on replacing your mainsheet blocks, move the old ones up to the vang. Worked well for me on my C-22 when I upgraded the mainsheet blocks.
Unless you are planning on sailing in very heavy air, a 3:1 setup will serve you well. Go 4:1 or 6:1 if you plan to be in heavy air. Also, if you have the pop-top and use it, put at least one snap shackle on your vang, because you will want to move it before raising the pop-top (or make sure your vang's line is long enough to go slack over the top when up. If you plan to race the boat, bring it and other control lines back to the cockpit.
I've seen several vang kits offered on Ebay.

Edited by - dmpilc on 09/09/2013 11:36:31

JohnP
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 11:49:05

Ditto Derek's story, except that I have added a port preventer and a starboard preventer each led from the boom vang bail to a block on the genoa track and back to the cockpit. These 2 lines are ready to use when turning to a downwind run. Therefore, there are 3 lines on the mid-boom bail on my boat to hold the boom to port, downward, or to starboard for three different points of sail. In the narrow rivers and creeks where I sail sometimes, I tack a lot, and the vang and the preventers are helpful and easy to use.

Based on various discussions on the Forum I have certainly learned a lot about sail trim. Thanks, everybody!

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/09/2013 : 12:36:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jweikel625
 Thanks, just looked at Garhauer, Looks like the 4:1 and 5/16th line should work???
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Just installed a 4:1 (Haken Carbo,) 5/16 line one our boat - works great. If you want to get carried away (like I always do) you can have a silicon bronze bushing made for the bail. Spreads the load.

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Jweikel625
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Response Posted - 09/18/2013 : 19:44:00

Thanks all, I definitely have a bail on both the boom and the base of the mast. I searched the boat this past weekend, but no boom vang anywhere! So purchasing will be necessary for next season. The list keeps growing!!!

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/19/2013 : 11:21:31

Move your mainsheet blocks to the vang position and get nice new blocks for your mainsheet. I would go 3:1 on a new mainsheet setup.

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