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PCP777
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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 13:30:23

Committee duty.

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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 13:33:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 Committee duty.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, tough job, but . . .

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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 14:31:29

Not a racer so excuse any ignorance. Why is the guy in the middle got like a third reef tucked in?

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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 14:54:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 Not a racer so excuse any ignorance. Why is the guy in the middle got like a third reef tucked in?
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Yesterday at the start of the race we were getting 20 to 25 knots gusting to 35. That boat is famous on our lake, it's Soap Opera, a Hobie 33 skippered by Scott Self who is a rock start in the local sailing scene and a great guy. He won the 2005 double handed class of the TRANSPAC in that boat. I guess he was worried about being overpowered.

Found this excerpt on the web:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Soap Opera Follows the Simple Course to Success
HONOLULU---They bought their combination ham-single sideband radio on the Internet for $550, thoroughly grounded it with aluminum foil off the kitchen self and checked standard weather reports daily to see where the best winds would be.

"We didn't try to be original," said Scott Self, who with Nigel Brown sailed his Hobie 33 Soap Opera to first place in Division V and among seven doublehanded boats in the Centennial Transpacific Yacht Race to Hawaii.

HChallenged America's B'Quest crew after its second Transpac finish, fourth in Division V. (Lisa Niemczura photo). Oh, and their sails were green.
"My favorite color," said Self, a soap manufacturer from Rockwall, Tex. "We didn't have any sail problems at all, and our radio worked better than some of the state-of-the-art stuff on the million-dollar big boats. All that carbon fiber causes problems."

Their only problem was when their heavy duty aluminum tiller broke at the head of the rudder on the 13th and final night as they were about to enter the blustery Molokai Channel with their spinnaker up.

"The boat went on its side, but the hatch was sealed, so we weren't going to sink," Self said.
They rigged their emergency wooden tiller in 30 minutes and were under way again, but without a spinnaker.

"We knew we had won the division and doublehanded, so we went very conservative," Self said. "But we were still hitting 15 knots."

Texans Scott Self (left) and Nigel Brown display Soap Opera's heavy duty aluminum tiller that broke on the last night but didn't deter their dual victories in Div. V and doublehanded class. Their elapsed time for the 2,225 nautical miles was 13 days 1 hour 10 minutes 35 seconds, an average speed of 7.1 knots.
Their watch system was four hours on and four hours . . . on. They finished with a plastic crate still full of food because "it was so rough we could eat only one meal a day," Self said. "One guy couldn't leave the helm and the other had to trim all the time."

Sleep? "About one hour a day," Self said.

Self and Brown have been sailing together for 20 years so obviously are past becoming incompatible during two weeks on a small boat.

Brown said, "There's a real risk of that happening with some people, but Scott and I know what to expect from each other."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Oh, and he still gets out with those green sails.

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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 17:30:59

Nice to see such an active group. I have fond memories of the Wednesday night/Sunday morning series off Cleveland.

Edited by - OJ on 04/26/2012 17:31:23

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Response Posted - 04/26/2012 : 20:11:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 ...Why is the guy in the middle got like a third reef tucked in?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yesterday at the start of the race we were getting 20 to 25 knots gusting to 35. That boat is famous on our lake, it's Soap Opera, a Hobie 33...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The Hobie 33 is really skinny (8' beam) and is lighter overall than a C-25, with a whole lot more sail on a taller mast. 20-35 winds...?

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Response Posted - 04/27/2012 : 07:05:36

The day that this pictures was taken there were 5 or 6 boats on the water. We were having friendly races to the next bouy. I was always last. The individual standing was visting from New York and owned a 40' C&C. He got on my boat and no one could catch us. It didn't take me long to figure out the boat was not the issue.

Edited by - davidbloodworth on 04/27/2012 08:22:46

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Response Posted - 04/27/2012 : 14:49:22

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Response Posted - 04/27/2012 : 16:05:23

Drifting with the drifter...

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Response Posted - 04/27/2012 : 19:05:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 Few more turns on the jib halyard winch......<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It shouldn't even take that--just a good yank. It also looks like there's a lot of sag in the forestay for that much wind. Maybe it's lighter than it looks, and this guy is powering up the jib every way he can think of.

Peter: Your huge pix are screwing up the thread.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/27/2012 19:11:26

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Response Posted - 04/27/2012 : 19:35:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by davidbloodworth
 It didn't take me long to figure out the boat was not the issue.
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Few more turns on the jib halyard winch......
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Halyard winches are my next add. Don't have jib or main halyard winches.

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 05:44:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by davidbloodworth
 Halyard winches are my next add. Don't have jib or main halyard winches.
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You don't have a halyard winch??????

I have a single winch on the port side aft cabin top. Both halyards are led aft, through a Spinlock, to the winch and a cleat.

I need to add a jib downhaul though......my main will come down by itself, but my jib, not so much.

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 07:53:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 ...I need to add a jib downhaul though...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or a roller-furler. It's sorta like replacing the crank with electric starting on your car!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/28/2012 07:54:29

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 08:00:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 ...I need to add a jib downhaul though...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or a roller-furler. It's sorta like replacing the crank with electric starting on your car!
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True, but a starter doesn't cost over $2k.

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 10:16:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">True, but a starter doesn't cost over $2k.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Once you spend it, you will wonder how you ever lived without it...

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 11:12:27

A furler shouldn't cost 2K especially if you go with a CDI. I think I paid around $1,100 (on sale) for my Harken Mark IV plus $300 - $350 to have it installed.

You should be able to get a CDI for well under a grand and install it yourself.

Edited by - GaryB on 04/28/2012 12:45:02

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 13:00:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 A furler shouldn't cost 2K especially if you go with a CDI. I think I paid around $1,100 (on sale) for my Harken Mark IV plus $300 - $350 to have it installed.

You should be able to get a CDI for well under a grand and install it yourself.
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+ furling sail = $2k.

Edited by - NautiC25 on 04/28/2012 13:00:57

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Response Posted - 04/28/2012 : 20:04:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 + furling sail = $2k.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and, IMHO, worth every penny, even if it's almost as much as you paid for the boat. (No really decent cruising 25-footer is worth less than $6K.)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/28/2012 20:05:11

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Response Posted - 04/29/2012 : 09:04:43

Joanthan,

Trust me, Dave is absolutely right. I had hank-ons until last year and was considering selling the boat because it wore me out to hank, un-hank, and flake the headsail everytime I went out. Added at least 30 minutes to my sailing day and a lot more work. On top of that I nearly got tossed overboard a couple of times out in the bay.

I decided to spend the money on the furler and it is amazing how much easier it makes the day. It's almost like owning a stinkpotter. I bring aboard my cooler and some towels, crank the motor, and cast off the lines. I can be motoring in 10 - 15 minutes instead of 30 - 45 and I NEVER leave the cockpit now.

It kept me from selling the boat!

My boat is just as fast or faster than it was before the furler. At my level of sailing I would never be able to see the speed difference between the hank-ons and the furler.

Come on down to Kemah and I'll take you out in the bay. You can try out the furler while in rough water. You'll never go back!

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Response Posted - 04/29/2012 : 10:52:23

Once I had a furler I lost interest in high wind sailing and that is one of the big draws of my venue. I think a furled is appropriate for C-25s because of their cruising nature but the boat is not as much fun to sail with one.

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Response Posted - 04/29/2012 : 11:20:51

And everybody is correct! Love my furler, but not so much in bigger winds with my 150.

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Response Posted - 04/30/2012 : 05:20:31

I keep my sail in a deck bag already hanked on. All I do is pull it out of the bag and tug on the halyard. Takes 1 minute to do it. Now getting it back in the bag takes a little more time, but it isn't much trouble for me.

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Response Posted - 04/30/2012 : 05:29:15

I want a furler....really do....and I look at the many other boats in the marina that have them....with some degree of envy....but $2k is just not in the cards for a furler. I'd spend that on a bottom job and sistered keel bolts. There are several things ahead of roller furling, and going that far will start to get into a non-recoverable money territory. At this point, I'm not willing to go there.

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Response Posted - 04/30/2012 : 05:30:04

A jib bag....however....is certainly on my radar....

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