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JeanAndre
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Initially Posted - 02/14/2012 : 10:28:59

Hello all,

I have a swing keel with a Tall rig and a Fin Keel with a standard rig.

would you switch rigs??

I am more interested in the benefits of a tall rig fin keel. I figure the Standard rig swing keel would get the downside of the trade off.

Who here has a Tall rig fin keel? What do you think of it?

Fair winds

I am Captain ! !
Yelled I to my wife and daughter...

Jean André - St. Louis - MO
1981 C25 SR/SK - OH LALA #2591
1977 C25 TR/FK - CLARICE M. #0042
2011 9.8 Nissan XL shaft
USCG Master, sail and tow endorsements
ASA instructor
Aspiring boat designer (Westlawn)

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 10:54:55

I would do it. The fk/tr would be the local racer and the sk/sr would be the trailerable vacation cruiser.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 11:47:55

The only justification for doing that much work is if there is something significant to be gained. Judging by their phrf ratings (the last time I checked), there's very little difference between the performance of the fin keel and swing keel boats. Thus, regardless of which hull the rigs are on, the respective speed and performance potential of the two keel types will be about the same.

If you plan to sell one and keep one, I'd keep the hull that will be best suited to the average depths in your sailing venue, and put the rig on it that is best suited to the winds you'll expect in that sailing venue. For example, if your sailing venue is shallow, then I'd keep the swing keel hull. If your sailing venue characteristically is very windy, I'd keep the standard rig. If the winds are characteristically light, then I'd keep the tall rig.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 02/14/2012 11:57:34

JohnP
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 13:21:10

In my experinece, the SK and the FK sail very similarly, and the speed and pointing ability depend mostly on the condition of the sails and on the sail trim.

The TR gives you more power in light winds. But so does a gennaker. And even more so with a symmetrical spinnaker. And all of that depends on how you handle her.

You previously posted info about trailering the boat around your area. If that's the critical factor, then you know the answer.

Why would you want to have two of these boats that are mediocre racing boats? Sell both of them, get a bank loan, and buy a fast J boat!

But if you want to keep one boat, then I would suggest keeping the hull, cabin, and built-in hardware that is in best shape.

It's such a nice problem to have, you must agree!

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JeanAndre
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 17:01:11

I am planning on keeping both boats. One to rent out to local tourists of the St. Louis area as a close by option for a daysail at Carlyle Lake, IL. This would be the SK as Carlyle lake is a place that enjoys grounding a boat.
And the fin keel would be my personal boat, to sail around Carlyle and take to the Great Lakes.
An ocasional race is in the plans, but not my primary goal.

And yes JonhP this is quite a nice problem.

I must point out both boats will need a lot of work to get back to ship shape, especially the fin keel. But I am enjoying the prospect for the future.

Cheers

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 19:48:10

If you plan on doing much trailering, then put the std rig on the swinger. It would then be easier to tow and rig. Otherwise, it's not worth the extra work. The sails will not be interchangeable, so you'd have to swap the hull numbers on the main sails, too, if you switch rigs.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 20:03:26

Steve Milby is spot-on.

It's still fun to race against similar class boats.

If you do switch, don't forget to switch the tabernacles also!

Edited by - OJ on 02/14/2012 20:04:27

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/14/2012 : 20:45:35

As Steve says, it is primarily based on the typical breeze, but the higher boom of the standard rig would, from my cruising perspective, be a real comfort plus. Of course that would also be a plus for day charters. The TR loses its advantage by 10 kts or so, but never loses the low boom. The tall rig mast has a thicker wall in addition to greater length and diameter, so raising a standard should be easier.

Edited by - Dave5041 on 02/14/2012 20:46:14

iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 05:33:12

Hello Jean, I am also a St Louis sailor and have a tall rig/fin keel Cat 25. I am in the middle of an extensive overhaul (building new balanced rudder, all new standing and running rigging, all new wiring, all new plumbing, new bottom paint, refinishing all the wood, etc). I am planning to have the boat on the Mississippi river, at Alton, by the middle of June (just in time for the sailstice). When I get everything squared away and ship shape, you are more than welcome to come sailing and see if there are any noticeable differences between the rigs. I have been working on her for over a year now and can't wait to go sailing.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 08:16:55

Just buy four more C-25s (including two wings) and you'll have it covered.

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JeanAndre
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 11:55:06

I don´t know about buying 4 more boats, maybe instead of 4 more maybe just one bigger? =O)
This one maybe: http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=74&sid=6

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 12:23:31

Very pretty. If you're going to dream, then dream big!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 12:40:10

But for a lot less than one Morgan, you could have all six combinations of the C-25-- TR/FK, TR/SK, TR/WK, SR/FK, SR/SK, SR/WK, all for <$50K. Think of the possibilities!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/15/2012 12:41:35

JeanAndre
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Response Posted - 02/15/2012 : 15:58:54

I would have to start my own little fleet... Not that I would complain, that would actually be a lot of fun. Who knows in the next 5 to ten years where the "business" will be

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