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redeye
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Initially Posted - 09/12/2011 : 04:50:50

My new dockmate. Last one tied up his boat with Yeller nylon painters. 3 lines on the boat. My new one has only two. Last dockmate damaged my hull when his boat came loose in a storm.

Go figure...

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 06:23:21

Does your marina or club have management that has any standards for dock lines? Can you get them to talk to him about his... on behalf of the other boats around him? If he breaks loose, he could damage more than just yours. If a storm causes that stanchion to rip out, you'll have a real problem with what looks like his anchor platform (and presumably the anchor).

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 07:21:36

In our club, that boat would be re-tied, and the skipper would be explained why. Once that Stancion rips out, there won't be much to hold the boat. Do you know why his real dockline is just sitting there doing nothing?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 07:26:10

I spoke with the "teenagers" working at the Marina ( the dockmaster ) and they basically had no comment. They appeared to simply watch me and see what I was gonna do, and all I did was complain.

Now all I'm gonna do is buy some really big fenders.

Thanks for listening.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 07:27:25

<< Do you know why his real dockline is just sitting there doing nothing? >>

I tried to say hey, and they were very old and apparently could not hear well.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 09:20:08

The aft line was so tight, I swear they must have stood on the aft dockside of the boat, tied it up to the boat cleat and then stepped off leaving the line tight. They have cotton clothesline holding "the" fender.

That line will snap with the first real storm.

Edited by - redeye on 09/12/2011 09:45:38

DaveR
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 11:30:57

I think I would very politely offer some help, pointing out that their misstep could damage their boat.

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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 12:40:44

Yup--for starters, their bow is going to have a nasty meeting with the dock, given that they effectively have "negative" spring lines. Tying tight to the dock won't stop it with that configuration--the forward line going to a cleat that's forward of the stanchion).

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 15:55:40

I at least hope your marina requires liability insurance... When we find that, we re-tie on behalf of our docks and our members boats.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 16:35:58

What the heck are you worried about? They've got two whole fenders tied to starboard

Hopefully this isn't a reflection of their boating safety skills . . . but I doubt it!

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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 18:51:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 ...They've got two whole fenders tied to starboard

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'm not sure I'd call those twinky things whole fenders. They probably think their fenders are protecting themselves from you losing control entering or leaving, or breaking loose.

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MattL
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 19:44:55

The way they have those cleats tied they probably will have to cut the lines off anyway to take the boat out.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/13/2011 : 04:28:15

<< When we find that, we re-tie on behalf of our docks and our members boats. >>

Yepper.. I've heard that some people would do that and even add a spring line, but then whoevered done that would be liable ifin anything ever happened.

Sticky wicket.

Hangin Twinkies... now that's funny Dave!

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 03:50:01

Probably the best thing to do is to request a different slip. If there are other slips available, maybe there is one that will have other advantages besides just shedding your present dockmate: Closer to other sailboats or vantage point for security or maybe for getting out of the marina or a better view of the waterway or perhaps wind prevails primarily from one direction and a slip with your boat on the other side of the slip is considered beneficial. All good reasons for requesting a different slip. Usually, at the end of one season and before beginning of the next, there is some turnover in boats docked (unless you have a waiting list but even then...before they sign up the newbies the marina may offer other slip options - If there are no other slips available right now, maybe in 2 months or so.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 07:04:18

Yepper.. The Marina is really great with that ( changing slips ). They will let me look at what is available and change anytime. The problems are varied though. We get storms and if you get next to another sailboat the masts get locked, and sometimes you lose a mast.

My boat has had the mast replaced twice because of this so apparently... ya gotta pick your poison.

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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 07:42:00

and the masts get locked... which is why slips should have fingers on both sides.

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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 08:11:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 and the masts get locked... which is why slips should have fingers on both sides.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...which increases cost per slip and reduces the number of slips (increasing costs further). If the fingers are long enough, sailboats can alternate between bow-in and bow-out.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 08:19:33

<< sailboats can alternate between bow-in and bow-out. >>

That's what I'd heard from a Florida workmate. No one here has discovered this.

Seems we are a long way from Salt Water...

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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 08:19:46

You could always print this forum thread and gently put it on his windshield. That way he can see it´s not you been picky...

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 08:25:51

Well.. Ya know it gets even funnier that that. We have the largest inland marina in the world ( ya right ) and the fewest people with experience with boats. I'd swear I see a fender floating free about 4 times a year. I'll just start picking them up and adding them to his boat!

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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 09:14:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 << sailboats can alternate between bow-in and bow-out. >>

That's what I'd heard from a Florida workmate. No one here has discovered this.

Seems we are a long way from Salt Water...

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Another way to keep the rigs from tangling is to tie one a bit further forward in its slip than the other. You can usually do that by adjusting the spring line. They only need to be staggered a little to prevent them from tangling. Once the wind starts howling, the spring lines will become taut, and the relationship between the boats' rigs will remain constant. My neighbor and I did that in hurricane Irene, and had no problems.

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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 11:24:21

The solution our marina has for the locking masts is to put teh slips so far apart that you could park another boat between each slip. Apparently there is no upcharge for a catamaran. Can you guess what folks in our club are looking at for shallow draft, fast boats?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 12:00:27

Hobies? Sharpies? Tri? Hammerhead 54?

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 09/14/2011 : 14:16:01

two cat25's banded together...... :O)

Acutally chiming in with an observation. I am not considering myself an expert on lines at the dock by any means, but I was taught the "proper" method for tying off to a cleat, and that anything more is useless. It would appear your new neighbor could use help in that as well.
http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/cleat_hitch.htm
(above link was simple gUglesearch for the cleat hitch, and not an endorsement of the site) If against regs for this site, please feel free to remove link.

Edited by - Ape-X on 09/14/2011 14:18:13

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Response Posted - 09/15/2011 : 14:44:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 My new dockmate. Last one tied up his boat with Yeller nylon painters. 3 lines on the boat. My new one has only two. Last dockmate damaged my hull when his boat came loose in a storm.

Go figure...
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Ray, Ok, this may sound a little assertive, but how about you properly tying up his boat, then telling him or leaving a note about your concerns and be honest. You are preventing damage to both boats!
I have had others at my marina tie down my jib after coming loose and I really appreciated it. They told me later and I thanked them.
Steve A

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rrick
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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 23:18:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

Ray, Ok, this may sound a little assertive, but how about you properly tying up his boat, then telling him or leaving a note about your concerns and be honest. You are preventing damage to both boats!
I have had others at my marina tie down my jib after coming loose and I really appreciated it. They told me later and I thanked them.
Steve A
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Powerboaters know what they're doing. Throttle, steering, and looking good; mess with that last one and it gets ugly. I remember the story my dad told

me when he bought a jet boat for the Idaho rivers and got stuck and was insulted how the ranger who freed him discussed how navigation charts and river flow broadcasts would have prevented this. His boat, his water; gass'er up and go. Twas nice to have a father of reverse psychology upbringing.

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