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delliottg
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Initially Posted - 09/15/2011 : 23:10:24

I have a chance at a pretty good deal on this brand new outboard to replace my 2-stroke on my Avon. The guy only wants $500 for it, they sell for $900 at Walmart. I've seen mixed reviews for it, and wondering if any of you guys have any experience with one?

[url="http://www.fleetfarm.com/catalog/product_detail/sporting-goods/boating-marine/motors-propellers/coleman-5-hp-short-shaft-outboard-motor?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping%2Bsearch&utm_campaign=google%2Bproduct%20search"]Coleman 5 HP outboard[/url]

Edit: I'm pretty sure these are made by [url="http://www.parsunmarine.com/products.asp"]Parsun[/url]

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 04:02:22

Dave, the shaft looks awfully short on the one you linked. Be careful about that.

I don't know anything about the manufacturer.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 06:52:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RhythmDoctor
 ...the shaft looks awfully short...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not for an Avon.

But for 5hp, 79# is pretty heavy. The Honda 5, probably not the lightest, is 60. I like the little 30# Suzuki 2.5 or my even lighter (and noisier) air-cooled Honda 2. They don't get me on plane, but for me, weight trumps speed for a dinghy kicker.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 09:44:54

I think the 79lb is just the shipping weight, I see it listed at 25.6kg / 54-56lbs in other sites, so I think it's less than 60lbs total. A bit heavy to have hanging over the stern of the Avon, but it comes with a extend-o-matic handle that'll let me sit further forward to even out the weight balance. It also comes with a rolling stand so that'll be handy to have.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 15:07:16

Parsun is a Chinese company that also makes electric outboards. I've seen them advertize on Ebay. Don't know anything about the quality.
According to the spec sheet, the net weight of the 5 hp 4 stroke short shaft outboard is 24.5 kg or about 54 lbs. My 5 hp long shaft Merc weighs about 59 lbs.

Edited by - dmpilc on 09/16/2011 15:25:13

Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 15:15:23

Yup--Chinese.

"We care for satisfaction of each user through keeping the first class quality and service in China as we grant our users as our friend."

The owner's manual could be a hoot!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/16/2011 15:16:11

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 15:26:42

Too bad we can't get the 2 stroke models. Their 9.8 hp 2 stroke is only 60 lbs.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 04:19:29

Stinkpotter, how do you like the Honda 2hp? Was looking at them online and their weigh has me pretty interested. A buddy who works on small OB's isn't a fan on the centrifugal clutch, but couldn't recall anyone having problems with it. Like you, not looking for it to plane, just work and move the boat. (the important part is work). Both of my boat have older Honda 9.9 (1999 & 2000) and I have zero complaints. I'm just wondering if their 2hp is also bullet proof.

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SEAN
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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 05:00:17

is it rated for salt water ??

i saw a briggs and straton motor for a good price but there fresh water only ..

Yamaha has a nice 4hp with internal gas tank still not planning but quiet and strong

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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 05:45:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Stinkpotter, how do you like the Honda 2hp?...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It's fine, although I like a friend's Suzuki 2.5 better. (That engine came out a few months after I bought my Honda.) The Suzi has a gearshift (+) and is water cooled (+/-). The Honda's centrifugal clutch is a little tricky until you figure out the start-up throttle setting that doesn't make the dinghy lurch when the engine fires. When you get used to it, it's maybe a little handier than messing with a shifter, and all evidence is that it's bullet-proof (knocking on wood). The Honda's air cooling means (presumably) less maintenance, particularly in salt water, but it's significantly noisier. That combination helps make the Honda about three pounds lighter.

But now, I think I'd buy the Suzuki. Both have built-in gas tanks (no external tank in the dink). I don't know how far mine will go on one tank--it seems like forever. Either will push my Achilles to hull speed (probably about 3.4) at about half the weight of a 5 hp. For hoisting on and off the dink, that's significant to me.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/17/2011 06:00:08

DaveR
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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 06:20:28

I've got the Suzuki 2.5 and love it. Simple, quite, light and dependable.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 12:46:28

weed-trimmer with a R/C airplane propeller? Under $200. Keep that flex shaft lubed and if your following the manufacturer directions, you'll be wearing hearing protection.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 15:06:16

Dave B, thanks. DaveR, the OB that was stolen was a Suzuki 6hp and always had problems with it, never trusted it. My Hondas...different story.

Dave (too many Daves in this thread), sorry for the side thread.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/17/2011 : 20:55:17

Well, I made the trade today. The guy didn't know anything about them and had started it without checking for oil, also without any water over the shaft. Fortunately it was only for long enough for it to start up.

I brought a 5 gallon bucket, and had a quart of oil in my truck. The dip stick was wet with oil, but there was only a bit in the crankcase (and a warning sticker on the top of the cowling to check engine oil). I filled up the oil, put the shaft in the bucket of water, and it started on the second pull. It immediately began peeing and a fair amount of oil came out with the exhaust. I'd imagine from the fogging oil because otherwise the engine looked brand new. Not a mark on it, the prop was pristine. I listened to it run for a couple of minutes and didn't hear anything that alarmed me and it idled down to a happy burble.

It came with an extensible tiller extension, as well as a rolling cart (cheapo, but it works).

I decided to make the trade, I traded him a rifle that I never used (it was 12 years old and unfired) and he gave me an extra $150 in cash toward the trade.

We headed back north to the marina, so I could grab our old Mercury Mariner 4hp two stroke and swap it out for this new one. The Mariner wasn't on the dock for more than 20 minutes before one of my new dockmates came by asking about it, so it might already be sold.

It doesn't fit as nicely in the dockbox, but it's close enough.

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