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islander
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 06:49:00

Got Insurance?

I watched them raise a boat that had sunk on its mooring once. They tied a line to the bow, and simply pulled the boat forward with another boat. It didn't take much speed maybe 2mph and the boat came up to the surface and leveled out around rub rail height. Then another worker jumped in the boat with the pump out hose and stuck it in the cockpit. 5 min. later the boat was at normal height where the then were able to determine the leak and sealed it by placing a piece of plastic tarp on the outside of the hull. The patch will stay over the leak by pressure differential. They then towed it to a haul out. They made it look easy.

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cevans2
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 08:14:19

Good morning guys. I have recently rejoined the world of sailing. I sailed for years as a kid with my father and developed a love for sailing. I am now a proud owner of a Cat 25. I have been a member for several months now; however, this is my first posting. After reading this string, I woke up in a cold sweat this morning from a night mare where the marina called and said my boat was sitting on the bottom of the lake. Which brings me to the stupid question of the day. What is a seacock, how do I find it, and what do I do to make sure it is CLOSED? Please forgive my ignorance. Thanks for any knowledge you can share

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 08:51:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What is a seacock, how do I find it, and what do I do to make sure it is CLOSED?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Most c25s have two seacocks, one is located under the v-berth, the other under where the stove is/was. Handle needs to be turned 90 degrees in the closed position.

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 09:27:09

People, they are Hunter owners.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 10:12:47

Charles,
A seacock is a valve that opens to allow fluids to drain from the boat to the sea. You could have as many as four that I am aware of dependent on how your boat is accessorized. Some of these may be ganged together to drain through a single seacock.
1. Galley sink/Icebox
2. Head sink
3. Marine Head
4. Bilge pump
If you have any of these accessories in your boat just follow the drain to where it exits the boat and you should be able to locate it. Assuming it was installed properly in the first place.

Sample of a "seacock" or "ball valve". There is more than one type.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 12:47:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 I like the bed idea Richard, but I wonder if the seams could handle the lifting pressure. How much to rent a bouncy castle for a day?

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LOL

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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 14:45:35

I like the tow it forward plan, but since this one is in a slip I would get a line under the bow and stern and winch it to deck surface level and then start pumping. Although those look like floating finger piers. Any fixed pilings close enough?

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 18:17:51

Anyone know how this ended up?

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skybird
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 20:02:09

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 21:36:21

Sorry Richard, Somehow I missed teh Waterbed bit ad was thinking of teh Coleman inflatables you keep on hand for when gramma comes to visit.

I think the waterbed would prolly work.

You can get those mattersses pretty cheap too.

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skybird
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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 21:43:49

I think I'd give it a try if somebody gave me a boat!

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 06:41:50

UPDATE

I was out on the docks last night and those guys were still trying with no visible success. They have two pumps pumping out water and a diver had gone down below in an attempt to make the cabin water tight. They have invested $700 so far and looks like they are going to fail. I showed them some of the ideas in this thread but they were resigned to follow their plan. The rudder is resting on a metal bar which runs below the fingers to secure them, kicking the stern towards the surface. The idea was to get the stern out of the water and then pump the boat out like a well. My friend Keelan and I suggested pumping some air in as the water is pumped out, not sure if they are going to try that. The fear is that pressurizing the air will blow out the elements they've used to plug the leaks or even hatch covers.

Story is the owner has been out of town for two years and paying an employee "friend" to take care of the boat. Looks like the "friend" hasn't touched the boat. The irony is, Keelan says if someone had simply run some heat, like on of those little West Marine heaters like we have, this tragedy could have been averted. By keeping the temperature above 40 degrees, the pipes wouldn't have frozen. My heater is still going on low mode, as you never know when the weather will change around here.

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 06:57:15

Still trying to "pump the water out"... These guys deserve an award.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 10:36:43

I'll buy it from them for $50.

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 11:28:13

Peter, what type of heater do you use, I'm a little nervous about leaving a heater on the boat, but I'd rather that then have it sink!

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 12:17:16

Oh Come on already, This is Texas, Where's the cowboys with the lasso's. The horses should be able to pull it up.

Yee-hi!

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 12:58:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Max
 Peter, what type of heater do you use, I'm a little nervous about leaving a heater on the boat, but I'd rather that then have it sink!
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Yeah not a hard decision, plus these West marine heaters are effective, durable, have a small footprint and they're and safe.

http://www.westmarine.com/1/1/25529--portable-cabin-heater.html

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Response Posted - 02/17/2011 : 20:02:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jhinton
 Still trying to "pump the water out"... These guys deserve an award.
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Now, if a boat is totally submerged and they "pump the water out", what do you think will happen? And if they make it "water-tight", what then? I'm trying to decide whether this is hilarious or a sad indictment of our educational system...

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 07:21:46

trying to decide whether this is hilarious or a sad indictment of our educational system...

I think there last employer was the White Star Line...

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 08:02:00

We should sneak in there overnight one night and stuff the waterbed bladder in, raise it, just above the water, and sneak away.

In the morning we could hear them doing teh "told you so" thing.

Then sneak back the next night and reverse their pumps so they can start over again...

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Patrice C25
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 09:11:46

LOLOLOLOL
Please guys, tell us this is a joke ....
How the ... they think they'll empty the water out of a sunk boat with pumps.
You made my day ;-))) and not even april fools day ;-))

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 09:13:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 We should sneak in there overnight one night and stuff the waterbed bladder in, raise it, just above the water, and sneak away.

In the morning we could hear them doing teh "told you so" thing.

Then sneak back the next night and reverse their pumps so they can start over again...
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From what I understand they had until yesterday to get it floated, or the marina operator was going to use a floating crane to pull it out. Interesting to see how that works in terms of who owns the boat at that point. I'm going out there today after work, so I'll post an update.

hey Captain Max, you up for a night sail tonight? We'll be taking Joint Venture, the C-27, out. Let me know....

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 09:27:50

Could be, which day/night are you talking about?

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/18/2011 : 10:02:18

Sorry, guess you were talking about tonight! Would love to, but I have something I have to get done tonight. Definitely ask next time.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/20/2011 : 11:03:34

So the marina used the crane to pull the Hunter out and bought it off they guys who were trying to raise it for $750. So they spent 3 days and $700 but at least it wasn't a total loss.

Had a great sail yesterday after we repaired the bracket on my mast head for the anemometer. Took my wife, sister in law and her niece, her friend and a buddy of mine and went sailing. We headed over to the Flying Saucer for lunch. While there my friend's Keelan and Ligon sailed up on Joint Venture, a C-27. Se well had lunch and then sailed around on the lake where we encountered a C-250. The three of us sailed around together almost in formation and kind of as an impromtu race for about 45 minutes, it was a great time. The 250 was fast but seemed tender, rounding up a few times. I wonder if they are association members. We were the only three boats on the lake at that time, and all Catalinas.

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