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Captain Max
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Initially Posted - 02/15/2011 : 09:54:27

In the colder than normal weather down here in Dallas, we have had at least 3 boats sunk at their slips. I'm thinking the sea cocks must have been opened to have this happen. With my recent purchase of my 25, I need to start watching that! (First boat with through hulls)

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 10:04:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Max
 In the colder than normal weather down here in Dallas, we have had at least 3 boats sunk at their slips. I'm thinking the sea cocks must have been opened to have this happen. With my recent purchase of my 25, I need to start watching that! (First boat with through hulls)
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Ah, you must be talking about the Hunter 28 for one of them. The guy that owned it gave it to some friends of mine and they are trying to raise it.

Where are you docked at? I'm on "R" dock, right behind the office at Bayview.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 10:50:38

Very normal... An example of what can happen: The water intake line to the engine, head, or whatever, freezes from the cold air around it--generally not at the seacock, because that's kept warmer by the lake. The freezing breaks a fitting at the heat exchanger or head. A little later, everything thaws, the siphon begins, and down she goes--slowly but surely.

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 11:05:40

The Stern of the sunken boat is pointing to my dock, I'm 2/3rds down the dock towards 30. (Havent memorized my dock and slip number yet!)

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 12:56:29

Is that an Evelyn next to it?

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:26:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Max
 The Stern of the sunken boat is pointing to my dock, I'm 2/3rds down the dock towards 30. (Havent memorized my dock and slip number yet!)

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Ha! We are on the same dock. That would make three forum members on one dock. As you walk north from the covered pavilion area, on the right, you'll see a C-27 named Joint Venture, with an odd looking metal dock box that is standing up. That is my good buddy Keelan's boat and the boat I crew on for Wednesday races. We sail together all the time, and you can find us out on the docks almost every Friday night for a night sail and usually Saturday mornings when we try to get together and do maintenance on the boats. Then next to him is a First 23.5, then four C-25's in a row. Mine is the second C-25 on the right, with the white roller furler. Three of the four C-25's are members on this forum.

We might have to set up a fleet.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:35:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 Is that an Evelyn next to it?
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No it's a Santana but we also have an Evelyn 32 that races on Wednesdays.

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:52:03

Are there regular Wed races going on now?

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Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:55:26

Just caught up with all the messages posted. I'll definitely have to get to know you, I'm a big night time sailor. (I guess you have to be with the Dallas summer heat). Looking forward to meeting you all in person.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 14:56:05

I don't want to be critical and I don't know a thing about salvaging a boat but these guys were pumping water out of the cabin in an effort to get her to raise up. Does that sound crazy to any of you guys? I would think you would have to use a bladder or two.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:01:21

I'm guessing they'll pump for a real long time particularly if they haven't yet plugged the leak. How big is that lake??

Maybe they're punping air into the cabin that they'v somehow made airtight? Not likely, but maybe.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:01:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Captain Max
 Just caught up with all the messages posted. I'll definitely have to get to know you, I'm a big night time sailor. (I guess you have to be with the Dallas summer heat). Looking forward to meeting you all in person.
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You bet, email me @ powers_peter AT yahoo dot com and we can trade some contact info. I know we will be out this coming Friday and I'm planning on sailing after work tomorrow. Is this weather insane, last Wednesday it was an ice sheet, today, 75 degrees and sunny.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:04:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 I'm guessing they'll pump for a real long time particularly if they haven't yet plugged the leak. How big is that lake??

Edited by - PCP777 on 02/15/2011 15:04:26

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:13:15

Yeah... someone might want to point ou tto tehm that you have to displace the water in the hull.

You know those racks full of bouncy balls at wal-mart? Thats about 1/5 teh amount of water you have to displace...

This could make for a fun winter distraction. If the guy offered you the opportunity to own this sucker, adn you didn't have access/money to hire someone, how would you raise this thing as a DIY project?

My take:

I have a few canoe flotation bags that would get swum into teh V-berth and inflated in there (hose run back to an air compresor on the dock). After that I would run to the nearest wal-mart and get those "balance balls" that healthy people use to work out and atart putting them in teh aft cabin and inflating. I think that between the vee berth and aft cabin/dumpster you might could get enough bouyancy to lift the companionway out of the water. It would take a lot of balls though, and you would need a way to hold them in place, like a net across the door or somethign. Using those big balance balls should prevent them from sneaking back out the door. After that its all about pumps.

Once enough pumps are in to stay ahead of the leak, you can dry the boat out and find the leak, plug it, and complete the cleanup. You just better have a really good supply of balance balls.

What other half-cracked homegrown solutions you guys got???

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:16:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 I'm guessing they'll pump for a real long time particularly if they haven't yet plugged the leak. How big is that lake??

Maybe they're punping air into the cabin that they'v somehow made airtight? Not likely, but maybe.
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Seems crazy to me, raise your hand if your cabin is airtight.

It's a big lake.

Surface area: 21,671 acres
Maximum depth: 40 feet
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If I did the math right, that's only 4.1 TRILLION cubic feet of water. Hope the have a big pump.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:37:20

Two large inflatable bladders, shaped like the v-berth cushions but much taller, say 20 inches, in the v-berth with a diver in the water as it is filling to keep it/them in the v-berth area. Another large mattress shaped bladder, or 2, for the quarterberth under the cockpit, again with a diver to help hold it in place during inflation.
The other idea is to take 2 large inflatable balloons/bladders, tied together and placed on either side of the hull just in front of the keel. Inflate enough to lift boat so cockpit is above water and start several pumps to drain the interior. Tow to lift or trailer.
Actually, I have no idea if any of that would work.

Maybe someone should market an emergency self inflating air bladder that would fill up all of the air space in the v-berth, just like an inflatable slice of pie. It could be water activated, like the self-inflating vests, or activated with a ripcord. Just leave it sitting on the v-berth when you're not on the boat, and stored in a water-tight container when the boat is in use. Same for the quarterberth, and a large barrel-shaped one for the main cabin, the idea being to take up as much air space as possible when inflated. LOL

Edited by - dmpilc on 02/15/2011 15:48:09

Captain Max
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 15:45:03

I wonder what the total bill is for this sort of thing?

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 16:53:14

More than I want to pay if you have to pay someone to do it. I think you could do it pretty easily on your own though. You only have to displace enough water to match the displacement of the boat itself... So for a C-25 (displacement of 5000 lbs, a little heavier than actual...) with fresh water at 62.4 lbs/cubic ft, is about 80 cubic feet or 600 gallons. That's a little more than you would actually need but a ballpark figure. Start saving your empty milk jugs!

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 17:29:59

Inflatable queen, double, and single mattresses, a pump, and a diver. A double would be around 15 cu. ft. It wouldn't cost that much to float it high enough to find the leak, but it would be one heck of a restoration job, and the engine would need a rebuild at the minimum.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:20:45

The good news is it's in fresh water. That's a totally different situation from salt. Immersion in salt water is addressed first by re-immersing (or seriously flushing) in fresh. Even then, electrical and mechanical things deteriorate and fail for years thereafter due to the residual salt that can never be completely eliminated.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 18:40:29

Perfect example of too much money and no common sense.

Myth Busters raised a C22 (if I remember correctly) by pumping it full of ping pong balls.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 19:09:30

Pingpongballs sounds fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKKu0DA5lvM&feature=related

I wonder if the"Blow" setting on a shopvac would have enough oomph to inflate powerboaters tow-behind toys under there.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 20:10:35

what about a king size water bed mattress strapped in place under the hull and pumped full of air (which should come up on each side of the hull)? Those hydra lifts would seem to be about the volume of the air you could have on either side and they pick the whole boat up out of the water.

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 20:13:04

I third the ping pong ball idea!

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Response Posted - 02/15/2011 : 20:55:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I wonder if the"Blow" setting on a shopvac would have enough oomph to inflate powerboaters tow-behind toys under there.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I don't know, water pressure is a little under 1/2 lb/ft, but I bet a leaf blower would.

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Response Posted - 02/16/2011 : 06:19:57

I like the bed idea Richard, but I wonder if the seams could handle the lifting pressure. How much to rent a bouncy castle for a day?

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