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calden
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Response Posted - 08/30/2010 : 19:14:48

Thanks again all. Went with the Coleman Propane stove. I think I'll devote some time to figuring out the curtain burner, but for now this worked out great and with peace of mind. I ALSO discovered the limits of the holding tank. Now THAT was an interesting experience.

Some pictures from our overnighter:

And our location....

Edited by - calden on 08/30/2010 20:19:28

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Response Posted - 08/30/2010 : 21:11:59

Love the expression looking at that stove...

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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 14:26:37

Regarding the use of white gas or propane inside the boat, remember that the fumes are heavier than air so will accumulate in the bilge, creating a risk of explosion. Propane inside the boat requires a sniffer, at the least, and outside storage of the propane bottle when not in use. My understanding is that Butane is lighter than air, so is much safer for use inside the boat.

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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 14:36:41

Butane in NOT lighter than air.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">air has a density of 1.225 g/l @ 15°C. and Standard Atmospheric Pressure while butane is 2.52 g/l. Butane is more than twice as heavy as air!

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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 15:36:46

Jerry:

Thanks for the advice about propane. It always bear restating.

I've used that stove for years while car-camping, and used backpacking stoves of various types since forever, so I'm aware of the dangers of propane, butane, and white gas. I was careful to use it with the top up and store the cannisters outside in the cockpit while we slept. Wouldn't want to ruin a good trip!

Carlos

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Response Posted - 09/02/2010 : 11:12:57

Hi,
What model stove do you have ? pressurized or not.
I have the Origo3000, none pressurized, work just like your 'fondue' stove.
It work very well, using it every morning to brew water for coffee or pasta in evening when not using the bbq outside.
This one is not dangerous. Make sure you just never refill when still hot, this is where accident happens.

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Response Posted - 09/02/2010 : 13:46:04

Thanks, Happy for the correction on Butane. I wonder if there is any lighter-than-air stove fuel (besides CNG) that might available for use inside the boat. I investigated the availability of CNG in North Idaho, and it is simply not available here to consumers.

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Response Posted - 09/02/2010 : 15:48:49

We store our propane in the starboard cockpit seat locker. perfect size for a variety of propane/butane bottles and an air horn. I think we have only ever had to cook inside the boat once, all other times it has been optional. There were times when cooking aboard certainly helped the ambient temperature in the cabin.

Your pics show some great scenery!

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Response Posted - 09/02/2010 : 15:58:02

Prospector - that's a great idea on how to use that bit of storage space.
Jerry - these pics were taken on Pend Oreille. Where are you in North Idaho?
Patrice - If you're asking me about the stove in the pictures, it's a Coleman propane stove, not pressurized, but using the pressurized cannisters. Screw in and turn it on. Where are you on Lake Champlain, if it's the same as "Lac Champlain"? I visit near there every summer at the south end.

Carlos

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 09/03/2010 : 04:12:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">store the cannisters outside in the cockpit while we slept.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And while it seems the right thing to do, there is a sense of false security here. The companionway sill is the lowest part of the cockpit and so the vapors can flow right into the cabin if the air is still, and there is a leak. I'm just saying it's possible, remote but possible.
USCG does not consider the cockpit outside of the boat. The best thing to do with those little bottles is to make a fabric sock and hang them from the stanchions so they hang over the water or store them in a proper locker.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2010 : 06:12:24

Happy,

The fabric sock is a good idea. I have also seen a holder made of a piece of 4: (Ithink) plastic pipe someplace. Coulda been here even. Thats on my to-do list along with a dozen other things...

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Response Posted - 09/03/2010 : 09:30:30

Before the propane/butane fills the cockpit in dead-still air to the point of flowing over the companionway sill, wouldn't it flow out of the scuppers? Gasoline fumes from the cockpit fuel locker ('83 on) would have the same issue.

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Response Posted - 09/03/2010 : 19:41:36

Princess Curtain Burner Propane Conversion

Several of us have converted our original equipment alcohol stoves to
propane. Everyone has their own fire risk comfort level. I use
torch-size disposable tanks kept in the shallow cockpit locker,
connected to a manual shut-off valve, pressure regulator, and propane
rated hose from there to the galley. The tank in use is separated
from the rest of the locker contents by a PVC pipe shield. I added a
vent from the low point of the cockpit locker into the cockpit foot
well. My two 1-1/2" scuppers drain above water.

-- Leon Sisson
{Edited for width to compensate for extra wide posts in thread}

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Response Posted - 09/05/2010 : 03:22:47

Carlos, the stove aside, what an absolutely beautiful area you live in. Did you say you are keeping her in the water? I love the pic with the sailboat in the background. You and family are very fortunate.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 09/05/2010 : 08:54:53

Piseas:

She's in the water year-round.

I know that I am fortunate. This has got to be the best lake sailing anywhere. The lake is 40 miles long, 4 miles wide, and 1200 feet deep. Huge mountains and cliffs ring all the way around. Yesterday was out sailing in 25-30 mph sustained wind with gusts up to 43, with all that scenery in the background. This gave me a chance to try out the brand-new storm jib that came with the boat. Got up to 6.7 k downwind, and thought I would start planing. Love this boat and love this lake.

I won't tell you the monthly slip fee because it would just make people feel bad.

Carlos

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Response Posted - 09/07/2010 : 10:42:08

Hi Carlos,
IT's the Lake Champlain in northen NY region, between NY and VT.
We're in the upper portion, by Monty's bay.
Nice place to sail, clean water that you can go for a swim at ancor.

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Response Posted - 09/08/2010 : 07:38:30

Beautiful scenery - description of the lake sounds fabulous.
Consider one of these butane stoves:

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Response Posted - 09/08/2010 : 08:49:52

That's exactly the same stove as the Kenyon I suggested at the beginning of this thread--just with a different name on it. It stows away in its plastic case, or you can mount it. The butane cartridge (like a standard paint spray can) snaps in and out. It has a push-button igniter, and it cooks like gas, with full control of the heat. And it's all of $40. If you use it for 15 minutes a day, one $5 cartridge should last you about 10-12 of those days. (YMMV) I also have the optional pot-holder for mine.

You guys can have your plumbing systems with propane lines wandering around the boat.

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Response Posted - 09/08/2010 : 12:28:32

Yup - I think I'll get one of those butane models for the next outing. Thanks guys for offering some real-life experience and advice. Fortunately I only need one burner.

Carlos

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Response Posted - 09/08/2010 : 12:43:42

Buy the butane at oriental grocery stores, they are about a dollar apiece.

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