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Well... after long and careful consideration... and with a LOT of help from members of this board, I made my decision and purchased a new boat:
Her name is "Novia", she is a 1979 Catalina 25 fixed keel. The man who sold her to me is a poster on this board, and has been very patient with me in my waffling back and forth. In fact, this morning he met me at the boat and walked me through Novia's rigging from bow to stern... he would make an excellent instructor!
Earlier this afternoon, my family took Novia out for a quick turn around the marina, solely on outboard engine. There is SO much to learn... today was just to get used to the weight, turning radius, and making sure I could bring her back to the dock. (My father in law was along, he's been power-boating since he was in his teens.)
I'm trying to coordinate an ASA Basic weekend class with my local instructor. Since he prefers to teach 3~4 at a time... and since there are 4 in my family to take the class... he says that teaching the class to my family on my boat shouldn't be a problem. The challenge is finding a free weekend right now.
And even better... she is volunteering to recover the cushions (she can sew.) Of course, "volunteer" means that I will be "volunteering" as well... dinners out, flowers, jewelry, fishing tackle for her... etc...
So again, my deep thanks to everybody on the board! Your willingness to help has been humbling to me, and I could not have made this deep a decision without our patience and guidance!
Howard, congrats on acquiring Novia. She looks like she is in fine shape, very sold and most important seaworthy. The cushions are an easy fix, expecially since the "Admiral" has agreed to re do them. Speaking of, I would put the flushable toilet to top of list. You want to keep her happy if you want her to accompany you on Novia. The class would be a great idea as a family. And what better way than to learn on Novia. Good luck, Steve A
From the photos, it looks great ! Congratulations !! In regards to the temporary head you are considering, may I suggest getting instead a porta potti such as one of the ones West Marine sells. It will cost more initially but my thought is that since you are not prepared to have a permanent Head installed yet, you might as well have your spouse try out a quality Porta Potti and see how that goes. I say this because you can still uphold your promise to install a permanent head but perhaps in the meantime give a real porta potti a shot and see if there is any change of opinion as to it's suitability up to the time that you are going to work that project.
I second what Larry says. I didn't think I would be satisfied with a Porta Potti, but secured properly, it really looks/feels like a real head. And my biggest fear was odor, and used as it is supposed to be with the proper odor treatment liquids, it is virtually odor free. Amazingly so. My wife, who is extremely picky (as is my 9 year old) uses it regularly with not a single complaint. As long as they don't have to empty it. I do that...and also surprisingly, it wasn't near as "difficult" as I had imagined. I initially put in a request that nobody go "number 2" but that ended on the second day with my 9 year old...and on the third and....and the fourth day. All with no odor and no problems...and they hold a lot more than you would imagine.
Congrats on your new boat....I'm on week 5 with my "new"/old C25.
The "Luggable Loo" was meant to be a joke on her, but to my surprise she's agreed to use it until next spring! We're not planning any overnight trips for the forseable future anyway, so with strong liners and kittly litter we'll make do for the fall.
The upgrade list is growing of course... "new boat-itis" I guess... but right now the important thing is to learn and be safe!
Congratulations on your purchase. Except for the cushions, it looks like she has been well cared for. Forget the Luggable Loo and get a Porta-Potti that can be bolted down securely. First time you heel the boat you'll understand why.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dmpilc</i> <br />Forget the Luggable Loo and get a Porta-Potti that can be bolted down securely. First time you heel the boat you'll understand why. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Second that! Look hard at something like [url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|806|903103&id=902421"]this[/url]... You can plumb it to a deck pump-out fitting or carry it ashore to dump--it's all surprisingly unobjectionable--not at all like the porta-johns at the fair. Then you can decide on whether/when to plumb in a "real" marine head and holding tank. (Make sure you have pump-out facilities for that, or things could get ugly!)
DO NOT TAKE ADVISE FROM A STINK BOATER! Sailboats pivot on their keel and will do near 90 degree turns into a slip. A power boat is pushed around from the transom and will follow a very different arch into a slip. I always make what amounts to a 90 degree turn from the far side of the fairway and come in straight and slow. Use reverse as needed to stop.
Don't worry Dave... remember you sugested that I email Peggie the HeadMistress? I did and guess where she lives... 15 miles away from me! Patricia and I have gotten to know her in person (she's a WONDEERFUL person!) and she's already been going over my boat and is planning next spring's plumbing adventure.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pastmember</i> <br />DO NOT TAKE ADVISE FROM A STINK BOATER! Sailboats pivot on their keel and will do near 90 degree turns into a slip. A power boat is pushed around from the transom...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I've done a lot of both... The only significant difference is that a sailboat is a <i>lot easier</i> (unless the powerboat has twin screws and/or a bow-thruster).
She looks nice. I have noticed that that the teak has not been finished with any cetol just cleaned with oxalic acid and teak oil. I like that. I think that its easier just to apply teak oil than varnish every year.
I also noticed that you have broken "wings" on the sliding hatch like me :)
The teak does look very nice... As I've mentioned here before, I've recently become a new fan of the sealer from [url="http://www.semcoteakproducts.com/semco_products.htm"]Semco[/url] that gives the look of oiled and/or slightly weathered teak while sealing the wood to prevent real weathering. Looks great on a friend's boat, and they say it lasts much longer than oil. They use half-and-half clear and brown to add a little tone to their older teak... I'm thinking about converting from Cetol to Semco this winter.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dmpilc</i> <br />Congratulations on your purchase. Except for the cushions, it looks like she has been well cared for. Forget the Luggable Loo and get a <b>Porta-Potti that can be bolted down securely. First time you heel the boat you'll understand why.</b> <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
^THIS^
You can find a new one for around $100. Terrific investment. Plus it elminates runs to the pump out station.
That's exactly the model Peggie Hall recommended as well. We'll be putting it in next spring... hopefully on a weekend where the water is flat. I don't have a trailer, so I'll have to work on the wet. Over the winter my wife plans to recover the cushions. And to be honest, if it's cold, I don't forsee much sailing!
I was able to schedule my family for the ASA Basic class on the weekend of October 1 (hoping the weather allows.) Trying to sync up my wife's schedule with mine is a challenge right now.
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