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jhinton
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Initially Posted - 06/20/2010 :  19:05:47  Show Profile
Well we just got home from one of the luckiest days of my life... We were motoring, just about to enter the southern end of the Detroit River when we heard the most awful pop, crash, and bang I have ever heard in my life. As I looked down into the cabin I watched the floor of the cabin contort itself and the mast shake violently. I had just replaced the cable so it must have been the eye bolt. I dove down to check it out and sure enough, it broke right off at the eye bolt. We then had a dilemma... The marina we are in has a channel 4 feet deep and with no way to get the keel up... Long story short, we were able to make it back into our marina and to the Travelift bay and are awaiting a lift out tomorrow onto the trailer.

So now my question... Where do I go from here? I'm about 80% sure I need to have a qualified individual look at my keel (and hull) to fix it because I don't particularly trust myself with something of this magnitude. Does anyone know of a good place to take it somewhere on Michigan's Lake Erie shore?

I'm astounded that the keel didn't just absolutely demolish the hull of the boat as it crashed down. Wow. What an day. It sure was beautiful out there though!
1982 C-25, SK/SR, traditional interior
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/20/2010 :  20:49:19  Show Profile
Check the keel trunk carefully for any hairline cracks in the trunk and look for any wetness around the trunk.
also, check under the removable floor panels for any new accumulation of water in the bilge. you would indeed be fortunate if your keel trunk did not develop any leaks.
The eyebolt can be ordered from Catalina Direct.
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two port feet
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Response Posted - 06/20/2010 :  21:23:33  Show Profile
Wow that's scary. Glad no one was hurt. Just wandering what year is your boat.
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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  06:27:02  Show Profile
One thing to be mindful of is that the upper part of the keel trunk, where the pivot is (where the keel hit the inside of the trunk) will not be below the waterline. It should be checked by someone competent.
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jhinton
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  11:57:26  Show Profile
The boat is a 1982 SK/SR.

We just finished up at the marina. The boat made it through the night at the dock just fine with no trace of water in the bilge. They were able to pull us out and put us on the trailer. Taking a look at the rig, the eye bolt snapped just above the threads and the bottom half of it is still stuck in the keel. There is some cracking in the fiberglass around the pivot area; specifically at the hangar brackets. There is also some cracking in the cabin floor inside. This is going to be more than I can fix I have a feeling.
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jhinton
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  12:37:11  Show Profile
With all this happening I have been kicking around the idea of the swing-wing conversion. I just called Catalina Direct to get a price for the conversion kit and they told me $5000.00 for the keel alone! Add to that shipping and installation and I'm probably cost close to $7000.00 - $8000.00 for the whole gig. At that price I could buy an entirely new wing keel boat.

Has anyone had this done lately? Any chance you remember how much the whole process cost?

I found a thread from 2002-2003 about someone who had this done and their total wasn't even $3700.00. Have prices gone up that much?
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Ben
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  13:49:10  Show Profile
Sorry to hear about your situation. I did the swing to wing conversion a handful of years ago to rid myself of the worry about what happened to you, and I think it cost me about $5,000 total, but I don't remember exactly. I'm sure it wasn't more than that. Most of the cost was labor. If you get it shipped from the factory to a dealer near you, you can save a ton on shipping costs. That's what I did.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  15:53:31  Show Profile
Jarred, have you called your insurance company yet?
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  16:07:48  Show Profile
The keel trunk leak I had to fix last year cost me about $800. Last year in a Wed. nite race I came too close to a channel buoy that was our turning mark, caught the keel on the cable. Keel was lifted up a bit by the cable and it came down with a clunk against the back of the trunk. And yes, the lower half is below the water line; we were taking on a bucket per day. fortunately, there was no outer hull damage, just a hairline crack in the keel trunk. It was fixed by covering the trunk with several layers of glass and painting, all done inside. Here's an "after" shot (from a previous post):


The 2 vertical boards are spacers and attachment points for the box cover that hides the keel trunk. If you have a dinette interior, the keel trunk is under the <s>aft</s> (edit: forward) bench and a bit more difficult to access.
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jhinton
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  16:31:55  Show Profile
We're kind of in a crummy situation (completely and entirely my own fault) that we haven't pulled the trigger on the insurance plan yet.

We just purchased the boat this winter and have been restoring it in our driveway for the past several months. This was our first time out and the sole purpose was to get our launching proceedure down and test a few things while underway. We weren't even raising the sails.

We have three insurance quotes and were just waiting for one more to come in from the last company before we purchased it. We were literally days away from having the insurance. My fault.
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:18:36  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage
One could get a heck of a lot of fiberglass repair done for a lot less than $5,000, especially if one does some or all of their own work. Fiberglass work may not be much fun, but it's not rocket science. There's lots of how-to info available, including here. The tools, supplies, and materials are relatively inexpensive.

-- Leon Sisson
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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:25:14  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> If you have a dinette interior, the keel trunk is under the aft bench and a bit more difficult to access.
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Don't you mean the <i>forward</i> bench?
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/21/2010 :  20:49:45  Show Profile
Yes Brooke, you are right, my bad: under the forward bench. Sorry!
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skrenz
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Response Posted - 06/22/2010 :  12:11:37  Show Profile
What I wonder about doing fiberglass repairs of this sort is whether it is enough to just put fiberglass around on the inside of the cabin (outside of the trunk itself). What about the crack towards the inside of the trunk in the water? Couldn't water get in between the layers of fiberglass and cause a problem later on? How would you go about fixing that surface of the trunk, the part exposed to the outside?
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 06/22/2010 :  14:09:25  Show Profile
Correct Steve, if the cracks are not continuos from the outer to inner shins the gelcoat should be removed and both surfaces repaired; if the cracks are continuous, they should be opened, widely dished and laid up.
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