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pfduffy
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Initially Posted - 03/25/2010 :  14:33:18  Show Profile
I am going to lead my halyards back this year and I am trying to do it for the lowest possible price. I am considering using the spinlock jammer http://www.spinlock.co.uk/productitem.asp?pc=SUA/2& l=cleats& t=SUA%20Mini%20Jammer instead of a true rope clutch. Is there anything inherently wrong with using these instead of the more expensive xas model clutch? Thanks in advance for the advice!
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/25/2010 :  16:35:53  Show Profile
Sounds like what it was made for. "popular halyard jammer" Clutches just let you do a controlled release of a line under tension, not usually an issue with a halyard. It sounds like it does the same thing as the commonly used cam cleat without the rope wear.
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 03/26/2010 :  07:21:15  Show Profile
If you're looking to save money, I'd go with a fairlead and camcleat.
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Response Posted - 03/26/2010 :  07:34:53  Show Profile
I would never put a halyard in a cam cleat. One of the benefits of clutches is you can mount groups of them on the very small area on a 25. You WILL find a use for them. go with a triple on both sides.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/26/2010 :  10:21:07  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
I have a triple on each side, plus two jamb cleats. Jamb cleats are used for spin halyard, fore guy, topping lift and tack line for the asym. Clutches are used for main halyard, jib halyard, outhaul, cunningham, reef, vang.

Jamb cleats can NOT be winched.

Clutches can (winch BEHIND the clutch).
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cks
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 :  04:44:18  Show Profile
Can i ask what size rope clutches people use? i am considering one that holds lines from 5/16-3/8 v ones that holds 1/4-5/16 (Lewmar). It would be for my main halyard, boom vang, and reefing line. I have to buy new rope anyway for sufficient length so i just need to know what you recommend.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/27/2010 :  06:44:51  Show Profile
The [url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|3800|312072&id=137005"]Spinlock XAS Powerclutch[/url] takes 1/4 - 1/2 inch rope. Catalina Direct sells them for a pretty good price, and Defender has them for a little less (especially today and tomorrow), and WM has them on sale. They're highly regarded--including by Frank Hopper based on his photo above. I had doubles--recommend triples if you expect to ever want to lead other stuff back. My halyards were 5/16ths.

BTW, I don't recommend cam cleats for halyards. If you put a lot of tension on a line through a cam cleat, especially with a winch, it can be extremely difficult to release, and it can damage some kinds of low-stretch rope by crushing the core.
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