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Randall
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Initially Posted - 03/02/2010 : 18:32:21

Several months ago I posted here about either selling or parting out my 79 C25 TR. At the time I was hoping to part her out and then sink the hull in a scuba park, but that plan fell through. Now it's time to get rid of her, whole or in pieces. I need the trailer out from under her so I can move my 83 Hunter 25 from Canyon Lake (San Antonio) to Lake Amistad (Del Rio TX). I would rather sell her whole, of course, but that is highly unlikely because "Kite" is in poor shape and only a real C25 devotee (lunatic) would be ambitious (insane) enough to undertake her as a project.

So after I sell the parts here or on ebay, how do I get rid of the leftover hulk? Sectioning it up with a chainsaw and hauling it to the dump seems terribly time consuming and expensive. And then there's the swing keel... Suggestions?

Randall
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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:02:23

You could talk to this guy, he recycles/disposes of boats for a living.

http://huntsville.craigslist.org/boa/1617243322.html

If you have a galley drawer (under the sink) I'd be interested in one.

Edited by - OJ on 03/02/2010 19:05:08

Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:36:23

Remove anything you can, including the swing keel and then take the hull whole to the dump or preferably the transfer station. There should be end-loaders there to pick the hull up off the trailer. Most municipalities would rather see something like this disposed of properly and will assist you. At least that's how it works here. After taking a 24 foot powerboat to the dump pieces at a time and going through 2 chainsaws, the guy finally realized what I was doing but it was on my last trip. The keel goes to the recyclers. The rest gets sold <s>on eBay</s>, here first, then eBay, cheap. You should be able to make a few bucks, even with the costs at the dump. I have yet to see a used Catalina part not sell on eBay as long as you don't expect to set up a retirement fund with the proceeds!!!
Ed

Edited by - Ed Cassidy on 03/02/2010 19:40:41

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:47:36

Randall, go talk to Fred at Lindsey Marine. He has a deal with a local landfill to take whole boats and not charge per cubic foot.

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Jan Briede
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Response Posted - 03/02/2010 : 20:45:16

Randall, while I live far away. I am trying to restore a 79 boat. I would be particularly interested in a table (assuming you have a l-shaped dinette). I am interested in the central pedestal, the table itself I can try to build. I would also be interested in the inside cushions, if only to have a template, so I can make new ones. I also do not have a sink in the head. So if anything is available I might be interested in emailing with you.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/03/2010 : 10:32:05

Do you have the entry way boards?

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MiNO
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Response Posted - 03/03/2010 : 19:28:37

Are you selling the accordian door that separates the head area from the main cabin?

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/04/2010 : 14:38:51

Randall -- while not an expert I would suggest that you try the following. First, offer it on Ebay as is, where is -- there are lunatics/devoties and you might have success. If (probably) not, then I would come up with a list of what might be salvagable and let this forum know so we might purchase the part or, again, try Ebay for parts. Finally, most auto junk yards will take sail boats and strip the metal (steel or lead keels, spars and stainless rails command some dinero)and shread the rest. They will not pay you for her but they will take it for free and make some money on the scrap metal side. As you can see here, however, you may be able ot make a few bucks on the usable parts. The wood, cushions, winches, spars, sails, etc, ARE in demand. Regardless, sorry that she will not be in the greater fleet and hope you can do what you must.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 03/04/2010 : 15:47:48

The lead in the keel (assuming it's a lead keel) is worth about $1/lb alone. You'll be able to sell a lot of the hardware on here fairly easily, like the winches and you've seen a fair amount of interest in various parts already.

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Response Posted - 03/04/2010 : 18:14:28

I had an interesting conversation with the gentleman I refer to in my post above. He explained it is not at all uncommon for people to get behind in storage and/or dock fees (and I am not inferring this is what has happened to Randall,) the marina places a lien against the boat, fees build, then the lien exceeds the boat's value. Eventually the owner removes anything of value and abandons the boat - placing the parts up for sale on the inernet.
In some cases he buys a boat, pays a lift fee and in other cases he receives boats for free as compensation to simply haul it away. Sometimes he can buy just one profitable boat, other times he has to buy a group of boats - some profitable, some not. Tons of legal paperwork invloved - especially when bringing boats across state lines. When he can't sell the boat, he too will remove items with value before cutting up the hull and taking it to the land fill.
Sometimes he makes money, sometimes he doesn't.

Edited by - OJ on 03/04/2010 18:19:26

bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/04/2010 : 19:24:06

OJ -- I tend to agree. There has been much written about the difficulties for yards to get legal control of "abandoned" vessels or boats in their yards with large back fees owed for storage or work. I know in my own little town of 5-6 lovely, usable boats (3 Cape Dory, 1 Sea Sprite, 1 Signet and 1 J24) that were hauled to a junk yard just to get rid of them as the yards could not legally sell them without title/registration. ALL had people who wanted them. So, their are some good deals, many bad and all sad.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 03/06/2010 : 19:35:36

I'm nothing even close to a lawyer (except for my brother), but wouldn't you think that all marinas and yards would put a term way, way down in the fine print saying:

" XXXIV. In the case that such vessel remains on our premises for more than three (3) years without any payment by the vessel's owner, or if the vessel's owner does not provide any notice of their intentions, said vessel will become the property of the marina after posting a public notice in the local newspaper declaring the intention of taking title to said vessel . . . . "

Or they could set it adrift and claim it for salvage

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 08:30:53

I believe admiralty laws prevent such commons sense to enter the equation. Our club currently has a CD Typhoon, last used in 01, with unpaid bills dating back to 00 -- and started the proces to get title from the owner who abandoned her in 04. very yard I have ever spoken with says it takes years and requires a lawyer to get title so you have the chance to recoup some funds by selling the boat. The BOD and Club Manager at my club's patience is running thin so I will be interested if the CD makes it through this spring.

All that said, in Randall's situation -- as well as with too many good but abandioned vessels, junk yards are often about the only option

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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 12:41:25

Cutting up a Cape Dory should be punished with a rejection slip and referral downstairs from St. Peter! (...except maybe the CD-25, their one non-Alberg design.)

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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 13:04:39

the United States - land of overabundance

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 17:05:14

Hi guys, thanks for all the advise and inquiries about boat pieces/parts. I'll let you know what I decide to do with the boat. I still have hopes of sinking it at a dive site.

Derek, which is Lindsey Marine? Is it the place near the dam that does the paint & bottom jobs?

MiNO, sorry, but I threw the accordion doors away years ago, and just left the passageway open.

Jan, it is a dinette model, and I do have all the cushions except the one for the stern quarterberth. I used that area for storage and threw the cushion away along with the accordion doors. The cushions are original and are probably good only as patterns. The table is one that the previous owner made out of chip board, but it does have the brackets & pedestal.

PCP777, I have two complete, brand new sets of companionway boards. I ordered one set from Catalina several years ago, and they accidentally double shipped, and even though the error was theirs, they didn't want me to return the second set. They offered me a store credit instead which I guess I must still have since I can't remember ordering anything else from them. I trimmed the edges of one set so that it would fit properly in the sagging companionway, and then stored it in my workshop. The PO had made cypress boards for the companionway and I left them in place so the new ones wouldn't weather. The second set is still in the box as shipped. Neither set has been stained, varnished, or sealed.

I would like to sell the standing/running rigging to someone wanting to convert to a tall rig. Kite was apparently used for racing and has four Lewmar Single 7s, and the T-track running all the way to the stern for adjustable blocks. It didn't come with a spinnaker, though.

I also have the canvas poptop tent. I only used it once four years ago, and it was in good shape then. It has been in storage since, but I'm betting it is still useable.

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 17:10:17

Oops, I missed a couple of inquiries! OJ, the galley is complete, and Jan I do have the sink for the head.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 17:26:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Randall
 Oops, I missed a couple of inquiries! OJ, the galley is complete, and Jan I do have the sink for the head.
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Randall, thanks for getting back to us. I am interested in one or both galley drawers (the ones under the galley sink,) and the complete alcohol stove. Do you have a whisker pole? If so, is it a pin-lock or twist-lock?

Feel free to e-mail me via srmadsen@v e r i z o n.net

Edited by - OJ on 03/08/2010 17:28:57

Harleyworker
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Response Posted - 03/08/2010 : 18:04:40

Randall,
I have a 79 tall rig/fin that I aquired in sept. and was going to replace the standing rigging. I just have the single backstay. What's left of the running rigging is not good either, I know I need the traveler car cause the rollers on mine are gone(literaly). Send me an email to see what we can do. Eduvelsdorf at Kc dot rr dot com.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 03/09/2010 : 06:36:25

Randall,
I am in need of the door for the head vanity. Is this available?
Thanks,
Dan
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PCP777
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Response Posted - 03/09/2010 : 07:31:22

Randall, I've sent you an email on the companion way boards. If for some reason you didn't get it you can email me at powers_peter@ y a h o o . com

Edited by - PCP777 on 03/09/2010 07:32:09

Jan Briede
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Response Posted - 03/09/2010 : 18:41:39

Randall ... I can be reached at jbriede @ cox . net

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jhinton
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 : 11:10:33

I am trying to find the two pieces of wood that hold the companionway boards in place... the ones that are attached to the boat that the boards slide in to. Do you have those?

I'm at hitron11 (at) gmail (dot) com.

Thanks!

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Randall
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 : 17:05:32

Hi everyone,

I'll be going home tomorrow & will check the boat to confirm what I have. jhinton, I'm sure those boards are on the boat, I'll see what condition they're in. HappyD, I'm pretty sure that door is there. Harleyworker, I'll see if the traveler car is still serviceable. PCP777, your email must have gone to a dead email address. Try randall.fernette@us.army.mil

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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 : 22:04:05

Randall, you just exposed yourself to the spammers' address harvesting systems. I recommend you spell it with "at" and "dot" to camouflage it. bristle at att dot net.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 03/11/2010 22:05:09

Randall
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Response Posted - 03/22/2010 : 17:04:24

Thanks for the advice, Dave. I don't really know what it means, but I'll talk to our IM geeker at work tomorrow about the ramifications. The Army requires us to have the army dot mil account, and I've gotten used to using it for everything. I'm not very computer savvy and am too lazy to explore other email avenues, although my daughter did talk me into getting a facebook account recently.

Sorry for not responding to all your emails. I took off from work last week so I could spend spring break taking care of our animals and doing chores around the property so that my wife and daughter would be free to go on a road trip. They also took the laptop and air card so I was incommunicado all week. I also failed to inventory the boat while I was home to see what is still on it.

Rest assured that I do will dispose of the boat soon. If I can't find a dive site to sink it at, I plan to post a "project boat for sale" ad here and on Sailing Texas, and will offer boat "as is" with or without the trailer. I kind of want to keep the trailer, but I don't really need it, I already have a project trailer for my Hunter 25. If there are no takers, I'll part it out.

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