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Geo
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Initially Posted - 02/19/2010 : 16:10:29

Hi.. I have a 1987 C-25 sk.... Lov the boat but have 2 questions..
1. the outboard engine is on the same side as the water tank (starboard) which seems to me to put more weight on the starboard side.. would seem more balanced if the outboard was on the port side?
am I missing something?

2. The bilge area under the head does not drain back to where the bilge pump can pump it out.. there are stingers or reinforcements that block the water from flowing back.. was wondering how to get water out of thast area? has anyone done a mod. for this, adding pump or????

Thanks in advance for help

Geo
Wind in the Willows
1987 C-25 SR/SK
Lake Pleasant, Az.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/19/2010 : 17:36:07

Until about 1980, Catalina placed the motor mount on the port side, but they relocated it to the starboard side after 1980, because the boats usually listed noticeably to port while in the slip. Although the water tank is on the starboard side, most people only carry water in it when they're cruising, and I believe Catalina placed the motor mount based on the way most people actually use their boats most of the time. If you load the boat without consideration for balance, you can induce a list.

My C25 had a fixed keel, and the places where I recall water pooling were in the bilge and in the space under the v berth. A little water could also pool on the floor of the head, and on the floor of the galley, but the amounts in those areas were so small, that I sponged them out. Water didn't collect in the latter areas very often. Drainage might be different on the swing keel model.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/19/2010 : 20:35:06

I can access that area through an access in the sole beside the keel trunk with a thin sponge, but I no longer get water there. None of the laterals in the bilge have limber holes, so there are several areas that the single pump can't reach, but the volume can't amount to much. The real concern is where the water is coming from. Identify and correct that and the problem is gone. The fuel storage, head, wider bulkhead, and galley assembly on the port side offset the motor on the starboard, but it doesn't take a lot of weight to induce a list in a boat this size, nor is it of much importance unless you're racing.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/19/2010 : 21:34:24

The outboard is only a few feet off the centerline, regardless of which side it's on, so its effect on balance is minimal. The boats with the engine on port tended to list to port, more due to the combination of the galley cabinets and head than the engine. The outboard was moved to starboard when the fuel locker was molded into the port cockpit seat (1983?) because the locker made it more difficult to attach the bracket to the transom. That's when and why it changed. Even the later C-25s tend to list very slightly to port--unless they have a 140 lb. Mercury Bigfoot.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/19/2010 : 22:13:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">unless they have a 140 lb. Mercury Bigfoot[<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

not to mention a skipper who has had a few to many doughnuts in his life

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Geo
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Response Posted - 02/20/2010 : 11:14:45

The water got in the front bilge when the front hatch was open and it rained.
But was thinking of making a shower in the head area and would then need it to drain or would need to set up another bilge pump I guess.

Thanks for the reply's on balance. I use my water tank alot, have an electric pump for galley sink, makes it so nice for cooking and cleaning. And now that I think about it I do have lots of weight on port side including a small fridge, most often full, and lots of food and cooking stuff in port lockers and cabinets.

I guess I was missing something...lol

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 02/20/2010 : 11:55:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Geo
 
But was thinking of making a shower in the head area and would then need it to drain or would need to set up another bilge pump I guess.
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You really don't want to do that. Mixing shower water with bilge water, or even putting shower water in a dry bilge to pump it out will create guaranteed odors that you will not like. You could install a separate shower bilge box like these: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=shower+sump&Ntt=shower+sump&N=377+710&y=10&x=27&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearch

They're small and they remove most of the water rapidly, leave little standing because the boxes are so small compared to the horizontal size of your bilge.

This recommendation comes from Peggie Hall who wrote the book on "Boat Odors".

Better yet, shower up on deck with a Sun Shower.

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