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PCP777
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Initially Posted - 12/10/2009 : 13:13:34

I'm looking to get a bottom job here fairly soon.
What am I looking at in a fresh water scenario price wise? ( I've had a quote for $1,500.00 )

Any tips or suggestions in hiring someone to do the job?

How about the types of paint etc?

Peter Powers
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 12/10/2009 : 13:57:53

round here the job with 2 coats of paint costs $600.

It's $1500 if you've never had bottom paint before.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 12/10/2009 : 14:36:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 round here the job with 2 coats of paint costs $600.

It's $1500 if you've never had bottom paint before.
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The boat has about 4 years ago.

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Response Posted - 12/10/2009 : 14:51:43

Are they talking about stripping her down or just overcoating? Big difference...

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Response Posted - 12/10/2009 : 15:29:03

Also is the sanding to get a smooth finish or is it just slapping a new coat on.

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Response Posted - 12/10/2009 : 19:10:09

Check with Carol at Inland Sailing. She had a guy that did all the bottom jobs for her. I can't remember his name. I almost bought an '83 from her a couple of years ago and if I remember correctly it was around $1,000.00 which included hauling, painting, and re-launching and he could have it done in one or two days.

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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 06:47:38

$800 for me in 07 with ablative for salt water. No real bottom work involved.

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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 08:26:41

If you have a trailer and can haul it and launch it yourself, and, if you can spare about 2 days to work on it, it's worth doing it yourself. It'll take 1 day to give it a light sanding, and one day to roll 2-3 coats of paint on it. That kind of bottom job isn't difficult.

If you're prepping the boat for racing, or if you're correcting years of deferred maintenance to the bottom, then you have to strip off all the old paint, and that's a bigger job. Still I have done it on my C25 and my current 35' boat, so it's do-able yourself, if you're sufficiently motivated.

Some marinas won't allow you to work on your own boat on their premises, so, if you don't have a trailer, you might have to hire them to do it.

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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 09:28:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Are they talking about stripping her down or just overcoating? Big difference...
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I'm not sure, I assumed stripping her down. I have a lot of growth going on down below the water line.

Steve, I don't have a trailer as it's a fin keel so I think it will make sense to have someone else do it.

GaryB, do you think they do work in the DFW area?

I guess I need to call and find out what all is included in the $1,500 quote.

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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 13:38:07

I don't know about todays bottom paint but years ago the paint was very toxic and you had to wear a resperator and the blue dust was covering the person doing the job. I think today's paint is not so bad but worth checking into.

NCBrew

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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 14:19:08

It's still bad. The copper can be absorbed though the skin as well as the lungs, and does long-term damage to the liver, kidneys and such. Chemical stripper is the safer way to remove the paint from the hull. For simply smoothing before adding coats, wet-sanding (with heavy gloves) is a good idea. Many yards don't allow power-sanding without an industrial vacuum hooked up to the sander, and a respirator is still critical.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 12/11/2009 : 14:40:15

That all seals it, I'm an asthmatic. So assuming I hire someone to do this job, what shall I ask/look for?

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skipperof ballanato
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Response Posted - 12/12/2009 : 17:02:30

It is hard to know what your job will cost until you get the old bottom paint off. My '86 freshwater inhabitant had about a gazillion blisters - all small and superficial - which had to be drained/opened/gound out/dried/filled and sanded before any repainting could start. After that, 3 coats of interlux 2000, 2 coats of VC tar and 6 coats of VC 17 made for a fast smooth hull. I paid someone experienced to do the old paint removal and the bottom coat and tar applications, but did a lot of the blister work and VC 17 painting. 2 days is an unrealistic time estimate if you have to deal with blisters. The last paint job done before I got her, looked like blisters had been overpainted. Good Luck with it. Once it is finished, you will be happy with the improved performance and with the ease of cleaning gunk off the bottom.

Jim

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Response Posted - 12/12/2009 : 21:45:31

GaryB, do you think they do work in the DFW area?

Contact Carol Haywood at Inland Sailing. They are located at Captain's Cove Marina outside of Garland, TX off I-30. If you're heading East on I-30 from Dallas take the Zion Road exit and stay on the fronatge road for approx. 1 mile. You'll see some apartments or condo's on your right just as you get to Peninsula Way Dr. Approx. 100 yards past Peninsula Way you'll see a small street to your right called Marina Dr. Turn right and follow to the marina. If you get to the Bass Pro Shop at the bridge over the lake you went too far on the frontage road.

Carol can hook you up with the guy I was referring to in my earlier email.

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Inland Sailing Center
Captain's Cove Marina
5965 Marina Drive
Garland, TX 75043

Phone: 972-226-2200
Toll Free: 888-231-8136
Fax: 972-226-4623

Business Hours

Tuesday - Saturday 9:00am - 5:00pm
Sunday 12:00pm - 4:00pm

Carol Hazlewood, Owner

Edited by - GaryB on 12/12/2009 21:54:02

PCP777
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Response Posted - 12/13/2009 : 09:07:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 GaryB, do you think they do work in the DFW area?

Contact Carol Haywood at Inland Sailing. They are located at Captain's Cove Marina outside of Garland, TX off I-30. If you're heading East on I-30 from Dallas take the Zion Road exit and stay on the fronatge road for approx. 1 mile. You'll see some apartments or condo's on your right just as you get to Peninsula Way Dr. Approx. 100 yards past Peninsula Way you'll see a small street to your right called Marina Dr. Turn right and follow to the marina. If you get to the Bass Pro Shop at the bridge over the lake you went too far on the frontage road.

Carol can hook you up with the guy I was referring to in my earlier email.

Contact Information:

Inland Sailing Center
Captain's Cove Marina
5965 Marina Drive
Garland, TX 75043

Phone: 972-226-2200
Toll Free: 888-231-8136
Fax: 972-226-4623

Business Hours

Tuesday - Saturday 9:00am - 5:00pm
Sunday 12:00pm - 4:00pm

Carol Hazlewood, Owner

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That is awesome, that marina is just a short sail away from me, I'm on that same lake. I'm at Bayview at Dalrock and I-30. Thank you so much for the tip!

Edited by - PCP777 on 12/13/2009 13:09:58

PCP777
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Response Posted - 01/13/2010 : 10:53:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 GaryB, do you think they do work in the DFW area?

Contact Carol Haywood at Inland Sailing. They are located at Captain's Cove Marina outside of Garland, TX off I-30. If you're heading East on I-30 from Dallas take the Zion Road exit and stay on the fronatge road for approx. 1 mile. You'll see some apartments or condo's on your right just as you get to Peninsula Way Dr. Approx. 100 yards past Peninsula Way you'll see a small street to your right called Marina Dr. Turn right and follow to the marina. If you get to the Bass Pro Shop at the bridge over the lake you went too far on the frontage road.

Carol can hook you up with the guy I was referring to in my earlier email.

Contact Information:

Inland Sailing Center
Captain's Cove Marina
5965 Marina Drive
Garland, TX 75043

Phone: 972-226-2200
Toll Free: 888-231-8136
Fax: 972-226-4623

Business Hours

Tuesday - Saturday 9:00am - 5:00pm
Sunday 12:00pm - 4:00pm

Carol Hazlewood, Owner

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Thanks Gary, I called her and she referred me to Robert at Cummings Marine. His #214-341-1626. So they came down to the slip today, took the mast down and pulled her out of the water. I took some pics....she's covered with filth but I didn't notice any blisters and whatnot.

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islander
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Response Posted - 01/13/2010 : 12:07:51

Peter, That bottom doesn't look all that bad from looking at the photos. Looks like you have a good coat of slime. Easy to wash off with a hose and brush or a light shot from a pressure washer. After cleaning the slime off you will be better able to see the condition of the paint. Do you know what type of paint is on the boat? Ablative, Hard, One season, Multi-season?

Edited by - islander on 01/13/2010 12:16:45

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Response Posted - 01/13/2010 : 15:06:52

Peter, have you considered just have professional do a bottom cleaning. I do mine monthly in the water as I don't have a trailer and keep yearly in a slip. Since you have a trailer, it should be simple. I pay about $38 per month.
I am however needing a bottom paint and am looking into Interlux Pacifica Plus. Its a new formulation w/o copper. I dont have a quote yet but the marina I am in is part of a test thru my state and I will get $1000 credit towards the job if I use copper-less paint. The yard at my marina is looking into 3 options and I should know more details in a couple of weeks. Of course I am jumping on that offer.
Steve A

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Response Posted - 01/14/2010 : 19:18:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
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Thanks Gary, I called her and she referred me to Robert at Cummings Marine. His #214-341-1626. So they came down to the slip today, took the mast down and pulled her out of the water. I took some pics....she's covered with filth but I didn't notice any blisters and whatnot.

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Yeah, that's the guy I was referring to! I couldn't remember his name before.

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Response Posted - 01/15/2010 : 20:30:41

My brief advise: Take your time with the project, and don't expect perfection! It's amazing how a clean but not perfect hull will sail just fine . . .

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Response Posted - 01/18/2010 : 08:17:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 My brief advise: Take your time with the project, and don't expect perfection! It's amazing how a clean but not perfect hull will sail just fine . . .
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Yeah, I decided to have it professionally done. Rowayton? My dad and I used to have a Hereshoff 16 catboat that we used to sail out of there.

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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 08:35:25

They are close to done, should get Stephanos back today. Sorry these are cell phone pics, left my camera at the house.

Nice and clean!

She should be back in the water today. Other work I had done:
Hull professionally buffed
Replace all worn stays
Install masthead light
Repair windex
Fix steaming light
Install roller furling system

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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:04:58

Oh it's pretty when the undersides have just been painted!! I see you had a host of other repairs done too. I bet you're going to have a very pleasant first sail whenever that may happen!

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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:40:26

What paint did they use?

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Response Posted - 01/20/2010 : 10:35:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 What paint did they use?
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Two coats of West Marine Bottom Shield Anti fouling Paint. He told me it was the $99 dollar a can stuff when we initially talked. They did two coats, repaired a chunk in my keel.

I feel pretty good about these guys, everyone I race with uses them. One of the guys that works there I've raced with and he did much of the work on my boat. I'm taking the opportunity to almost all of the stuff on my list done. I can hardly wait to sail her this weekend.

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