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Steve Blackburn
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Initially Posted - 05/02/2009 : 16:54:11

Hi Guys,

I just bought a small tube of white 3M 5200. I need to glue on cup holders. Should I use scilicone or 5200? Now that I read that you guys use it for thru-hulls I'm kinda concerned its overkill.

Steve Blackburn, Calgary, AB
C250WB - 1999 - Hull 396

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 05/02/2009 : 17:03:30

Steve,
5200 is used for things you never expect to ever have to remove, like the hull to deck joint, keel to hull, things like that. Silicone on the other hand will almost certainly fail, it's not really an adhesive as much as a sealant. Where do you intend to mount them? Could you use stainless hose clamps instead (like if they're going on rails or stanchions)? If you'd like them to be semi-permanent, but still want to be able to remove them at some point, UHB or VHB (ultra/very high bond) double sided tape by 3M works very well. You can saw through it with dental floss when you want to remove it, but other than that, unless you've attached it to something porous like brick or cement (don't ask how I know), it isn't coming off.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/02/2009 : 18:10:44

No, No, a thousand times no. You're right. It's overkill.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/02/2009 : 18:30:26

3M 101 should do it and can be removed.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/02/2009 : 21:05:19

I can't imagine trying to get cup holders to hold with caulk, regardless of which type. 3M 101 is polysulfide, and peels off--that's its benefit. 3M 5200 will let go of the cup holder but make a mess of your gelcoat. Put in a couple of self-tapping screws, or you'll have beer all over your boat.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 05/02/2009 : 23:48:42

I want to mount them on the fuel locker. I have those cup holders that fully retract. Something like the picture below but in white.

When at the tiller I found this to be the best spot. However I did not want to start drilling holes in the boat hence the need to glue them on. I`m going to go with Marine Scilicone then. If they can hold a couple a season I will be happy. If I'm ok with the placement then I might just screw them in.

Thanks guys. Not going with 5200 then.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 00:06:35

Silicone will just peel off, try the heavy duty double sided tape. It's carried in any hardware store. Give it a day to set up, and if possible wedge it somehow since it's pressure sensitive.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 05:51:54

3M has a product that's better for this application. 4200 - for when you want it to hold like 5200, but come apart later.

sten

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 07:32:28

Steve Blackburn
3M tape maybe the way to go.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/VHB/Tapes/?WT.mc_id=www.3m.com/vhb

I use double back tape on a lot of marine applications because it is strong and easy to use and remove.

It seems once you use it and gain confidence in the product the more you use it and the more applications keep popping up.

paulj

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 07:45:37

I'd rather loose an occasional drink or two than have a semi/permanent knee knocher in the most used part of the boat. What's wrong with just setting the drink down and moving it to your next location/tack.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT, # 3936, Patchogue, New York,

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 08:12:15

...or this:

Stern rail, life lines, wherever--won't spill your drink when you're at 20+ degrees.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 08:24:26

If you have that in "white" I suspect it is Starboard, an HDPE plastic, and nothing will adhere to it well. Starboard really wants a mechanical fastener.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 08:51:37

I have a couple--identical--they're molded plastic, not Starboard, but I doubt an adhesive is going to work with the leverage and shaking, and occasional kicks it's going to be subjected to. Those hanging types have some advantages--out of the foot-well, easy to position, and self-leveling.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 12:39:21

Wal-Mart. I don't remember the price, but it was about #2.00 for four of the kind that you hang in the window of your car. They will hang over the lip of your lazarette or cockpit locker and will last until you step on it. But they are so cheap that it doesn't matter. I took a piece of 1" by 1/8" aluminum strip from Home depot, cut a couple of 3" strips, bent them into a tiny bow and screwed them to the bulkhead. The little hanger thingy will slide down between the strip and the bulkhead and, again, last till you step on it. They are removable and cheap.

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 12:49:18

Just screw 'em in with machine screws and nylock nuts on the inside, and avoid 5200 anywhere on your boat. Throw it away or give it to someone who doesn't know better. The only place that 5200 belongs on a boat is the hull to deck joint. Period. It is dangerous stuff.

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islander
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 13:34:44

Forget all of that! Just get one of these!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 14:55:44

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 15:25:23

Where'd you see that Don? ...I'd buy some of those!!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 16:03:36

I just went to the site that Steve posted the picture from...

[url="http://ca.binnacle.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=drink+holder&osCsid="]Binnacle Drink Holders[/url]

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 05/03/2009 : 21:56:11

These are cool too, from Binnacle:

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redeye
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 05:55:28

I know this is low tech, but I've used it for years. Put the drink bottle in a HEAVY german beer stein with a heavy bottom. I leave it in the floorboard of the fantail, just behind the companionway. Slides to the low side without spilling when you tack.

The hard plastic foldable drink holder would stay open and then break when line got tangled in it or someone sat on it.

We also use a sling that was designed to hold sports drinks for the runners/walkers, hanging from the rail.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 06:54:08

I have heard that the drink holders that hang from lifelines tend to go overboard. I have no personal experience and cannot say how that happens, but the advise I got was that if you really like them, work out your own design using a coat hanger, 'cause even the best of them don't last long.

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HeelinPatrick
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 07:39:24

I just purchased some drink holders with giant suction cups on the, probably won't work real well, but had to use a gift card. Haven't tried them yet.

Too bad this thread didn't start a day earlier. I used a little 5200 to rebed a leaking bow pulpit deck plate. Guess I don't have to worry about it coming off anytime soon

Not real worried about it though, unless it leaks again, then that would be bad.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 07:48:18

From what I understand (please correct me if I am wrong) - as a sealant, 5200 and 4200 are equals. As an adhesive, 5200 has far more holding power.

I just found out that the PO sealed up our fore-peak deadlight with 5200 when he got tired of dealing with leaks.

The deadlight is leaking.

I have a friend who is a chemist and loves a challenge, I will be contacting him for advice regarding th eremoval of 5200 (but I'll be trying the wood stripper that worked so well on the 4200 first).

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 10:09:58

They also make plastic drink holders that are used in cars that have an L shaped end that hooks onto the space between the car window and the inside face of the car door. Get 'em at any large hardware or pharmacy (Long's, etc.) store. We used these by slipping them under the hatches for the locker. No screws, no protrusions unless they're out and in use. Just lift the locker up a bit, slide one or two in, and you have drink holders right where you need them. They went under the locker lip on the starboard side.

With a binnacle, you can use the ones described above, or get a binnacle cup holder (starboard or teak) or use the pulpit verticals.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/04/2009 : 13:09:07

Bear in mind that a lot of these solutions look good - IF you are holding 12oz cans in them. If you use other containers check to make sure the holder will not let the container slip out or tip over.

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