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monkeybird02
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Initially Posted - 04/28/2009 : 20:44:53

My boat has a roller furler up front. She came with two extra sails: a storm jib and a "winnaker". Both of those sails have hanks. My question is this- can I rig something to allow me to use these sails while still maintaining the roller jib? I'm thinking of an extra front stay and halyard. My local sailmaker said I should just let him put luff tape on these sails (of course). But I dont want to have to feed luff tape into a track every time I make a headsail change. Anyone have anything like this on their boat?

84 TR/FK 25'

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/28/2009 : 21:33:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by monkeybird02
 ...She came with two extra sails: a storm jib and a "winnaker".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">A what? Do you mean genniker? (That's a cross between a genoa and a spinnaker, generally for cruising on a beam or broad reach in lighter air.)

What sailing do you plan to do, and where? If Lake Lanier, I don't think you need to be able to rig a storm jib--you can always roll your genny down to a smaller size, or, if things get greenish-black, roll-up and drop everything and motor your ass back to the dock.

The genniker (?) can probably be flown in light air without hooking it to the forestay or furler--you just need a spare halyard and perhaps a shackle to hook the tack to whatever holds your genny to your furler drum--I'm guessing here... That could be called "loose-luffing", and is common with drifters and gennikers.

Basically, those sails were probably used before the roller was installed, and probably not thereafter.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/28/2009 21:42:48

monkeybird02
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 05:48:11

Yeah, I thought "genniker" too, but the PO insisted it was different, a "winniker". IDK, this is the same guy that made such a mess of the outhaul and topping lift (thanks for all your help, BTW). I honestly dont know what the hell he was talking about.
But yeah, since I dont have a trailer, all my sailing will be on Lanier. Does the masthead have a spot for a third halyard? Or should I just attach a block to an eyelet up there? And do I need a pole with a Genniker?

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 10:18:32

There is a spare pin at the mast head to install a swivel block for a third halyard. Run the halyard down to the mast base and add a second swivel block so you can run the halyard back to the cockpit. Or you could just add a cleat on the mast and tie off the halyard once the drifter/gennaker is raised. Simple.

I've used wisker pole with my asymetric spinnaker so I would think you can use one with your oversized genoa.

Edited by - aeckhart on 04/29/2009 10:20:03

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 12:19:35

Al wrote: "There is a spare pin at the mast head to install a swivel block..."
Additional thought: If your forestay is attached to the outside or forward pin on the masthead, you'll need to move it to the inner pin, then add the swivel block to the forward pin for the extra halyard. When not in use, secure this halyard to front of the bow pulpit, with slight tension so it doesn't interfere with the furling action.
If you have a CDI furler, your jib halyard may already be available. However, it will not swivel and you'll need to be sure to tack/jybe the sail inside the forestay (not in front of it) and take down the gennaker on the same side you raised it to avoid wrapping the halyard around the furled sail.

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/29/2009 12:22:07

monkeybird02
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 18:04:08

So run an extra halyard, making sure that its forward of the furler. I'm assuming I should remove the hanks (whats the best way to do that?).

Is it imperative that both the top block and the anchor point for the sail be forward of the furler? It seems to me that as long as either the head or the clew attaches forward, then there won't be any wrapping issues. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I'm not looking at the boat right now. I might not be imagining the setup correctly.

Anyone have a picture of the masthead? I'd like to see a pic so I can tell what hardware I need before I climb up the mast (what a PITA)

Edited by - monkeybird02 on 04/29/2009 18:09:14

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 18:48:08

Do yourself a favor and lower the mast to do the work. That way you'll have plenty of time to inspect things and get extra parts if you need them. The ability to lower and raise the mast is a good skill to have and is not difficult.

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monkeybird02
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Response Posted - 04/29/2009 : 19:10:48

Man, I've never done that before. How do I re-tension the stays?
Hell, for that matter, is there a sticky for stepping how-to?

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