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Crunkinator
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Initially Posted - 12/29/2008 : 23:55:54

Until recently I was a total Buccaneer person and thought all sailboats were just naturally slow as cold molasses. Now I bought a Capri 25 and am impressed. But what makes me wonder is the relationship between Cat and Capri. Are they made buy the same company? Forums like this lump them together and looking on the boats, the name plates appear similar.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 08:43:40

Welcome to the Capri 25! And if you think this is fast, take a ride on a sprit boat.

If I recall correctly, the Capri25 was originally designed as a J/24 competitor (ala the Merit 25, Moore 25, etc). The design was purchased by Catalina and later re-released as the Capri 26 (a more cruiser-friendly version). Most of the Capri 25's were build in the early 80's, however there was a later run (300+ hull #'s?) in the mid-80s (Catalina?). Looks like you have one of the newer ones.

I think Catalina's Capri 22 was a blending of the Catalina 22 and the Capri 25 for a more racer-oriented version of the Cat 22 - and a pretty decent job they did, even if they were inconsistent in build and it's just not quite One Design.

The Capri 25 is an EXCELLENT club racer, and very competitive in PHRF fleets (typical ratings in the low 170's with a spin). These days they're few and far between, except up in the MPS area at the Wayzata YC where they have a rather large fleet and OD race them there. There's a LOT of great info on this site and the WYC site (http://www.wyc.org/Default.aspx?alias=www.wyc.org/c25).

Enjoy the new boat, and welcome to the C25/C250/Cp25 site!
Jim

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 09:27:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Crunkinator
 ... Are they made buy the same company? ...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yup. Well, more precisely, they were. Catalina Yachts now makes the [url="http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=14"]Capri 22[/url].

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 10:28:58

Before Ike came along in September there were three (3) Capri 25's directly across the dock from me. I haven't seen them since the storm.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 11:35:14

I think the Capri 22 was Catalina's effort to market a boat similar to the J22, except that it is much heavier than a J22 and the mast placement allows for a genoa, which the J's do not. Also, the J's class rules are much stricter. For example, they do not allow mylar sails, knot meters, or devices like a GPS.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 16:42:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 I think the Capri 22 was Catalina's effort to market a boat similar to the J22...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">"Similar to", but not "competitive with", like the CP25 vs J/24. The Capri 22 usually rates around 204-210 (depending on configuration) and the J/22 rates about 180. That's a pretty good spread.

We rate the CP25 at 173 and the J/24 at 172.

Jim

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/30/2008 : 23:04:39

They joke around here that the J-22's make their own wind: over 500 lbs lighter, more sail area, flatter bottom, no wonder! Interestingly, they have not been as active here this past year as the C-22's. Maybe traveling.

Edit: Did I mention, a lot more expensive than a C-22, takes a 3rd person to race it, and no cabin space below? Okay, I admit that I'm just a little prejudiced toward the C-22.

Edited by - dmpilc on 12/30/2008 23:08:38

Ericson33
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 00:32:34

I have an article on the Capri25 on my server in the garage, so this is from memory, I will post the article once found. The capri25 is designed by frank butler, and was started as a boat to compete with the j24. Butler started with hull 1and hull 2 and did more Pre design testing than any other Catalina he spent two years working on the design before production in 1980. Hulls were produced into the 300's till 1983 and there were a couple more made in 1986, very low in production.

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Crunkinator
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 03:24:13

I appreciate all the info. I didn't know the Capri history when I bid on this boat at auction but I could see it looked quick and graceful. I couldn't bear to see it cutup with a chainsaw and scrapped.

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SailCO26
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 08:17:16

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Edit: Did I mention, a lot more expensive than a C-22, takes a 3rd person to race it, and no cabin space below? Okay, I admit that I'm just a little prejudiced toward the C-22.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Don't forget the J/22 lacks lifelines, as well. We have a pretty decent J/22 and CP22 fleets here. If I hadnt backed into the CP25 I'd be semi-OD'ing it with the CP22 folks. They're still trying to get me to pick one up and join 'em...

Chris - thanks for putting up the "real" poop on the CP25.

Crunk -enjoy the boat! Yes, they're quick and fun.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 08:24:28

Everyone I know who had lifelines on a C-22 took them off, unless they had small children. Not enough walk way space along the sides and they were just the right height to trip an adult.

Edited by - dmpilc on 12/31/2008 08:25:49

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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 11:27:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Everyone I know who had lifelines on a C-22 took them off, unless they had small children. Not enough walk way space along the sides and they were just the right height to trip an adult.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Interesting. All the CP22's around here have lifelines. I thought that was a requirement for PHRF racing?

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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 13:17:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SailCO26
 If I recall correctly, the Capri25 was originally designed as a J/24 competitor (ala the Merit 25, Moore 25, etc). The design was purchased by Catalina and later re-released as the Capri 26 (a more cruiser-friendly version).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'm pretty sure the CP-26 is from a different mold. It definitely seems like a different boat--bigger in every direction and built for an inboard.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 12/31/2008 13:17:33

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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 14:10:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 I'm pretty sure the CP-26 is from a different mold. It definitely seems like a different boat--bigger in every direction and built for an inboard.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Definitely different mold. VERY different boat, all the way around. I had been under the impression that Butler designed the CP26 after getting ahold of the CP25, but that's been corrected above.
Jim

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 16:09:26

The Capri 26 came out about the time that Catalina stopped building the Catalina 25s, and I remember hearing that Frank Butler's intention was for the Capri 26 to be the successor to the Catalina 25. I don't believe the Capri 26 sailed quite as well as the Catalina 25, and was only built for a few years.

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Crunkinator
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 16:40:31

I believe we should all put our heads together and make a list of all the features we want in a boat then petition Catalina/Capri to build them for us.
For starters:
25 to 30 feet
6' minimum headroom in the cabin
full galley and 2 heads to keep the ladies happy
24" maximum draft to get in close to the beach
capable of cruising at 9 kph or more in 6-10 knot breeze
unable to capsize of coarse
enough stability to keel 15 degrees max in gale force winds using a 170%
a bottom coating that allows zero growth...ever!
and a price tag under 10 grand

Did I miss anything?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 12/31/2008 : 18:05:03

RE C-22's and lifelines, we race fleet here on the inland lakes. Also, my C-22 never had lifelines so I don't miss them.
RE CP-26, I agree a very different boat, more than 1000 lbs heavier and 1.5 ft more beam than a C-25. Interestingly, my C-25 tall rig has the same sail area, per specs., so I may be a little faster. It is set up like a C-250 inside, i.e. one big cabin instead of the bulkhead separating the main cabin from the head and v-berth. Very roomy below and comfortable. I race on one with a friend at our lake, but we haven't tried to pull it out of the water yet, since he moved it here from Calif.
didn't Catalina make a few Catalina 26 boats, or was that the Capri 26?

Edited by - dmpilc on 12/31/2008 18:13:39

Andy_334
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Response Posted - 01/02/2009 : 15:51:08

Crunk - welcome to the wonderful world of the Capri-25.

I'm one of the certifiably crazy Capri-25 racers from Wayzata, MN that SailCO26 mentioned. We have about 30 at the club, and regularly put 20+ on a one-design start line every Thursday and Sunday between May and October.

Make sure you check out the Capri-25 specific forum adjacent to this forum as there is some useful information, together with the other less useful but equally amusing banter.

Somehow, I acquired several PDF files including: the original owner’s manual, general handbook, and several technical sketches showing hull layup etc. They are too big to post. Let me know if you want them and I can email them to you separately.

In your list of desirable attributes, you should definitely mention bad-assed winches! The originals were hopelessly underpowered. Several WYC owners upgraded.

Enjoy the boat this year. Where are you located? Here in the frozen tundra of Minnesota, we’ll have to wait another 100+ days before we’ll get to race ours again.

Again, welcome.

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 01/02/2009 : 17:48:44

OK, I found the artice. I have a slew of information on the boat as well. I had asked about the webmaster to upload all of the information I had on the old site, I wil post an article in the Capri25 forum.

Enjoy the

http://members.cox.net/mckillip/Sea%20Trials.pdf

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