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zeil
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Initially Posted - 09/24/2008 : 16:21:44

Do any of the C250 owners use a motor mount?
If so...
1) what model/type do you have... likes/dislikes
2) how is it mounted to the hull
3) in combination with the motor mount would you recommend a short shaft, long shaft or extra long shaft

Henk & Johanna
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SEAN
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 18:52:48

I have the motor mount , I love it , it was on the boat when I got it , its a WK
I would think the longer the motor the better . I have a extra long .

but on the WB some guys say its not a must ? i dont no .(the WB is a little closer to the water ?)

mine is bolted , 4 bolts

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 19:40:55

I have a Garelick mount. I like it. It's also mounted with 4 bolts (I think, I'm crappy about those kind of details) I have an extra long shaft Tohatsu and with the motor lifted all the way up, the propeller is still completely under water.

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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 20:17:23

John , is the Garelick the solid stanless one ?

thats what I have , and my prop only touches the water if were healing to starboard

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 21:19:56

No, not stainless.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 21:30:01

Henk,
We've got the Tohatsu 9.8 XLS with a Garelick mount. You can read about my install [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17458&SearchTerms=garelick"]here[/url]. I have no idea why all the pictures have gotten small, they used to be full size.

I really like the engine and the mount and recommend both. I mounted it so the prop is just in the water up to the cavitation plate when it's all the way up.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 22:05:18

I do not have a motor mount. My Honda 9.9 XL shaft tilts up completely out of the water. When tilted down the prop is well underwater. For me a mount would be unnecessary.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 09/24/2008 : 22:37:20

Henk, I too do not have a mount and don't miss one. I have a Honda 8 long shaft that came with the boat. I have never had any problems re a lack of power. In all the prior discussions, don't think anyone has had or recommended short shaft.
Is it time to replace one or both?
Steve A

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:05:52

I don't understand the benefits of a motor mount, can someone enlighten me? My WK with the Honda 8 seems to work fine.

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 10:38:10

I also have no mount 1998 WB #370. I just bought a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 with extra long shaft 25", electric start, tied into my pedestal for throttle and shift. It comes out of the water totally for sailing and at the dock. The narrow upper part (motor) allows for full port and starboard turning. Check it out at http://www.tohatsu.com/outboards/index.html. My previous motor was a 15" shaft Nissan 8 hp. It just did not reach far enough below the stern to get a bite in the water especially when in reverse. This one is a dream. I have pics if you want to see them

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zeil
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 13:21:02

Thanks guys... David that's has got to be the best step-by-step description I've come across... thanks.

BTW what is the difference between tall rig and standard on a C250??

The reason I'm considering a motor mount, even though we have a long shaft 8 hp Honda when the weather kicks up we still seem to encounter frequent cavitation especially with short steep waves and/or port side healing.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 14:18:06

Henk,
Our mast is 3' taller than yours, so we have about 30+ sqft of sail more than you do or so. When we take in our first reef, my understanding is that we have the same sail area the rest of the 250's have. The extra sail area really isn't a plus on Puget Sound, I have to bleed off wind constantly to stay as level as possible to keep Rita happy. I'm considering having a standard rig main built for the boat, or sailing with a near permanent reef tucked in.

I really like having the mount, even though I never expected to need it. We haven't had a single cavitation problem since it's been installed.

Tradewind, the benefit of a mount is getting the prop deeper into the water, less cavitation. We sail on Puget Sound, and it can get choppy. While our mount was necessary because our engine wouldn't fit in the transom, it's given us some nice side benefits like the increased depth. It's also created some problems, the engine's harder to get to, it's sort of a pain to check the oil each time before starting it, and it's moved the weight of the engine back another foot exacerbating our squatting problem, which I'm countering with lead in the bow.

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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 09/25/2008 : 14:38:12

Thanks, it does seem like it would be harder to get to as well as move weight further back. I guess in a chop it might help.

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Response Posted - 09/26/2008 : 17:32:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I don't understand the benefits of a motor mount, can someone enlighten me? My WK with the Honda 8 seems to work fine.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

one benefit is I have my backstay to it

and I like the way it looks

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essen48183
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Response Posted - 02/12/2009 : 20:47:10

Zebra, you have full turning radius now, in an earlier post about motor mounts you didn't. What did you do?

I have the Nissan 9.8 XL with tiller on the boat and it has almost no range of motion, mostly due to the tiller. Is there a kit to convert to remote or did you sell the motor and buy a remote model? Or is the Tohatsu not the exact same?

I would prefer to do whatever you did as opposed to converting my other motor.

I have a new Honda 8hp short (new style - not classic) with remote that will cost $600 to make longshaft.

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 02/15/2009 : 12:13:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by essen48183
 Zebra, you have full turning radius now, in an earlier post about motor mounts you didn't. What did you do?

I have the Nissan 9.8 XL with tiller on the boat and it has almost no range of motion, mostly due to the tiller. Is there a kit to convert to remote or did you sell the motor and buy a remote model? Or is the Tohatsu not the exact same?

I would prefer to do whatever you did as opposed to converting my other motor.

I have a new Honda 8hp short (new style - not classic) with remote that will cost $600 to make longshaft.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The new motor, 9.8 Tohatsu, when installed with the remote box or attached to the pedestal for fast/slow, forward reverse, has the tiller removed. In addition I think it is more on the forward side of the engine rather than the left side. This new motor gives me more manual or ez steer turning radius than I had with the old 8 hp Nissan that had the tiller attachment (even with tiller removed) on the left side of the motor. The new motor has a friction lever in the front to loosen or lock the motor in any turn position. With Ez Steer attached I will be able to turn both rudder and motor which will help get in and out of the tight turns of docking. I did it manually last season and it worked well, but with the attachment I wont have to take my concentration off steering. Once I install I will be glad to post pictures.

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 02/15/2009 : 12:25:15

I should also mention that the new motor is long shaft and is electric start that while running also charges the battery

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