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piseas
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Initially Posted - 11/16/2007 : 05:56:49

What do you fly, yacht ensign or traditional stars and stripes? Curious minds want to know.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 07:17:48

Stars and bars, PROUDLY!

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 08:04:42

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 09:41:05

The "Yacht Ensign" was intended for use in addition to the "National Ensign" to signal that a vessel was registered to be able to avoid clearing customs when returning to port (sometime in the 19th Century). It was not intended to be flown where the National Ensign is flown, and is essentially a misused relic. The American Flag is the American Flag.

Your Resident Curmudgeon

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 11/16/2007 09:42:31

Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 10:27:53

What did you expect?

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 12:35:59

I proudly fly a red-white-....red again flag with a maple leaf in the middle.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 11/16/2007 12:36:28

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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 12:40:11

What do they use in Quebec?

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piseas
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 12:50:12

Dave, thanks for that excellent clarification. I have had some disagreement with others.
And Randy, I would expect your crew to have matching shirts!

Thanks for the rest of you too.
Steve A

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 21:16:38

Required crew apparel on the Nauti Duck:

Front:

Back:

We run a tight ship. Arrrrrrrrrr!

I look forward to flying the Maple Leaf next year in the Gulf Islands!

Edited by - Nautiduck on 11/16/2007 21:17:48

Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 22:50:56

Arrrrrrr! I be on the lookout for you in me waters. You be the most welcomed matey.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 11/16/2007 23:13:10

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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 22:54:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Hopper
 What do they use in Quebec?

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Mostly the Canadian Flag! But some are convinced that Quebec is a country and fly the Quebec Provincial flag as if it was the country flag. Coincidentally these same people have never stepped out of Quebec!

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 11/16/2007 22:55:02

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Response Posted - 11/16/2007 : 23:19:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 Coincidentally these same people have never stepped out of Quebec!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Mmmm! MMMM! Biting my tongue! Chewing it off! Can't say it here!

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 11/17/2007 : 01:04:31

What? I can't say this here?

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 11/17/2007 : 08:18:57

Steve,

What is the proper way to tow that rubber ducky off the stern...or do you just keep it onboard as a mascot ?

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Response Posted - 11/17/2007 : 08:31:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Blackburn
 What? I can't say this here?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">No, Steve... I couldn't say what came to my mind...

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At Ease
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jerlim
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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 11/17/2007 : 13:21:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OLarryR
 Steve,

What is the proper way to tow that rubber ducky off the stern...or do you just keep it onboard as a mascot ?
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Having spent all my money on the boat and F150, this is the only floatation device I can afford at the moment.

Edited by - Steve Blackburn on 11/17/2007 21:13:36

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Response Posted - 11/17/2007 : 14:25:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What do they use in Quebec?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

They fly these. They rebel, even though they're not clear on the concept.

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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 : 05:38:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DanM
 Stars and bars, PROUDLY!
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The U.S. flag is the "Stars and Stripes." The "Stars and Bars" refers, historically, to the Confederate battle flag. If that's what you meant . . .

As a lifelong resident of the South -- below the Mason-Dixon line -- and now living in the capital of the Confederacy -- I can't understand why people continue to "proudly" display something that represents treating people like inhuman property.

If you meant "Stars and Stripes," I apologize for my diatribe (but the difference is terribly important, especially for people of color).

Brooke

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 : 11:45:24

I think the Quebecois fly a flag with 3 fleur de lys on it. Certainly everything there (including shops names, road signs etc.) are in French. Seeing as how they are only 22% of the Canadian population they try to ignore the rest of the country!
Incidentally the Yacht Ensign is only supposed to be flown in domestic waters. In international waters only the stars & bars is permitted.

Edited by - Derek Crawford on 11/18/2007 11:47:44

John Russell
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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 : 12:17:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 In international waters only the stars & bars is permitted.
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Just to be clear, The "stars and bars" is the flag that Brooke refers to. In international waters, it is the "Stars and STRIPES" that is appropriate.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 : 17:02:56

Sorry John, I had a senior moment there - I meant, of course, the "Stars & Stripes".

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Response Posted - 11/18/2007 : 21:24:50

Dave,

Going to disagree with you on this one:

As per Chapman:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The US Yacht ensign////is now flown on recreational boats of all types and sizes instead of the National Flag. Many yacht clubs now have by-laws requiring it to be flown, regardless of boats size or documentation status. In international or foreign waters the 50 star US ensign is the proper flag to display<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Originally designed not to avoid customs, but taxation. Ships' cargo's were taxed. There were no yachts (yet) so vessels not carrying cargo, operating for pleasure, flew the yacht ensign to indicate the taxman wouldn't make any money on them. Everyone entering US waters had to, and has to clear customs.

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Response Posted - 11/19/2007 : 13:39:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Oscar
 Dave, Going to disagree with you on this one... Originally designed not to avoid customs, but taxation. Ships' cargo's were taxed. There were no yachts (yet) so vessels not carrying cargo, operating for pleasure, flew the yacht ensign to indicate the taxman wouldn't make any money on them. Everyone entering US waters had to, and has to clear customs.
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Oscar... if we're gonna start splitting hairs... From the New York Yacht Club:<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Prior to the enactment of income tax laws in the early twentieth century, the federal government obtained most of its operating funds from the collection of tariffs and customs duties levied on foreign goods entering American harbors. All vessels were subject to inspection, including private yachts. As the popularity of yachting increased, the burden of customs inspections became tiresome and unnecessary.

In 1847, Commodore Stevens proposed to the Secretary of the Treasury that private yachts not engaged in trade or commerce be exempt from inspection. The Secretary, fully aware of the manpower required to inspect each and every yacht entering a port, agreed to propose legislation that would allow the Treasury Department to license yachts and let such yachts carry a signal of the form, size and colors prescribed by the Secretary of the Navy.

At the Secretary of the Navy's request, the New York Yacht Club recommended in January 1849, "The American Ensign with the addition of a foul anchor in the union be adopted...." Thus, the American yacht ensign was created.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I don't know about other yacht clubs (not being a yachtie myself), but at least some NYYC members fly the national ensign (as prominently pictured in their club brochure). I'll ask one of their members about it, but I probably won't report back.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 11/19/2007 13:47:52

Champipple
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Response Posted - 11/19/2007 : 14:41:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Brooke Willson
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DanM
 Stars and bars, PROUDLY!
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The U.S. flag is the "Stars and Stripes." The "Stars and Bars" refers, historically, to the Confederate battle flag. If that's what you meant . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I was thinking that myself Brooke. "Stars and Bars" and "Stars and Stripes" are two completely differnt things.

and just so we don't confuse more people...The US Ensign is 13 stripes, 50 stars, blue in one corner.... The US Yacht Ensign has the anchor.

Additional facts to what has already been mentioned are available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensign_of_the_United_States

Edited by - Champipple on 11/19/2007 14:48:05

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