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Dave Bristle
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Initially Posted - 06/26/2007 :  12:03:21  Show Profile
Watching today's craziness with the three stooges sailing ETNZ to victory... Anyway, will somebody explain to me why, on downwind legs on the same tack, the trailing boat always seems to sail on a track slightly to leeward of the leader? I would think in match racing I'd head up a degree or so and try to soil the leader's air... If he jibes away, I jibe onto a track just to windward again. No?
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/26/2007 :  13:02:01  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
He won't jibe away - as you get close he will take you up and carry you on his hip until he gybe for the mark and you are overstood.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/26/2007 :  23:15:00  Show Profile
OK, so all you want to do is close the gap... You're 4-5 boatlengths back--why not steal some air to at least try to make a gain? You don't have to get caught "on his hip", do you? I see them just hanging back there...
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/27/2007 :  06:49:27  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
I did some searching around b/c I probably would have done what you are describing - go high to steal some wind then try and pass low. I didn't find much out on the web.

At 5 boat lengths you aren't going to take a lot of air unless the point of sail is If you are the faster boat it pays to be low obviously because you lose rights when passing to leeward within two boat lengths.

Most of the discussions right now are around Mrs. Butterworth not covering on the last DW leg and there being more wind on the other side of the course. My best guess is that the "cover from Behind" philosphy" was being used until they felt it was time to split off and get over to the big wind???
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/27/2007 :  09:55:17  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I did not see the race but the ones I have seen had deep reaches instead of runs; that puts you on their hip.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/27/2007 :  10:55:54  Show Profile
Yup--they always deep-reach down the course, jibing back and forth. But I'm talking about several boatlengths back. Going upwind side-by-side, they worry about each other's bad air with several lengths spread between their courses--it would seem downwind would allow for much more messing up of air if you can get them into the shadow of the kite, meaning slightly to windward. The objective would be to close the gap--not necessarily to pass. I dunno...

And yup, Alinghi blew it yesterday by not covering. If they have the faster boat, why in the world would they not cover? They didn't repeat that error today. I just spent the weekend with some New Zealanders--boy are they living and dying with this!
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