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Honda 9.9 - Can you turn it?

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Bubba
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Initially Posted - 04/30/2007 : 19:23:42

Does anyone have a Honda 9.9 mounted directly to a 250 transom? If so, can you turn it freely from side to side?

I tried a search but couldn't find the answer to this one.

Dave & Deb

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 20:41:15

I have a 2000 Honda 9.9 and the answer is "NO." There is almost no starboard turning. I just ordered the extension bracket from Catalina so that I can get full range of motion from the Honda. The bracket is $75.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 23:09:34

I have a 1999 C250 WB. I can turn my Honda 9.9 (propeler towards the rudder as if it would hit it) with the handle down. But cannot turn the other way unless I put the Honda handle up. In other words with the handle in the up position I could easily access throttle and turn both ways completly. Wheel steering folks with steering connected to the motor this would be no problem. But for tiller folks like myself turning using the top engine head is not very appropriate.

So in conclusion:
Wheel steering = no problem
Tiller = Problem without the extension bracket.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/30/2007 : 23:15:17

I must respectfully disagree with Steve. I have wheel steering and it is still a big problem. Even with the handle up the OB does not have full range, especially to Starboard.

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Jarrett Anderson
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 10:40:31

I think you are going to have a problem with any four stroke with out a bracket. Four strokes are bigger motors than comparable two strokes, which will limit the motors rang of motion. I have more than enough thrust with a Yamaha 8 hp, high trust, four stroke. This motor will push hull speed at 1/4 throttle. A bigger motor is not going to push you faster than hull speed. The motor mount bracket works well, it does put that heavy motor further back. You can compensate with some sand bags.

Jarrett _/)

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 12:59:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 I must respectfully disagree with Steve. I have wheel steering and it is still a big problem. Even with the handle up the OB does not have full range, especially to Starboard.
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Interesting because I'm planning on installing wheel steering next year. Before I posted I checked and the motor does indeed go full port and startboard if I have the handle all the way up. I have a Honda 9.9 four stroke (1999).

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 15:04:01

Steve is your Honda mounted on the mounting plate or have you moved it further over to starboard. Mine hardly turns to starboard even with the handle up and is mounted on the plate.

Is your Honda one from the Japanese outboard maker?

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 05/01/2007 : 19:10:37

I don't have a problem with mounting the OB off center if it will allow it to turn both ways. Just wondering if that is possible with the Honda. I was looking at the 9.9 since it is the same motor as the 8 hp model.

I'm already used to having the OB tiller vertical. I have a 2-stroke Nissan 8 hp that I do that with now. I still had to grind off part of the OB to allow it to turn.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 05/02/2007 : 00:35:27

I'll take some pictures tomorrow and show you. It's too dark now.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 05/02/2007 : 12:24:31

Remember... Honda changed the design in 2001. My Honda 8 Classic would turn either way fully but the 2001 Honda 8 will only provide partial turning ability for a starboard turn (somewhere around 25 deg if I recall). This limited turning ability has done the job for me and is accomplished by two mods. 1. The motor must be shifted as far as it will go to starboard in the well. This requires changing the back plate to a larger piece of starboard. 2. The tiller handle has a piece of casting that limits the turn and it can be ground away with a grinder.

After these efforts, a reasonable turn can be had with the 2001 and later Honda 8&9.9 as they are the same motor, the 8 just detuned. And... regarding the choice between the two... there is supposedly a 1,000 rpm between the two but I've never run the 8hp wide open even in demanding conditions.

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Steve Blackburn
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Response Posted - 05/02/2007 : 16:47:35

Here are the pictures. Hope this helps.

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 05/02/2007 : 19:30:23

Thanks everyone. The pictures are a big help Steve - thanks!

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jlannutti
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Response Posted - 05/17/2007 : 06:12:01

I just bought a 98 with the 9.9 Honda mounted on the transom. The extension brackets you refer to, Do they just push the engine back or can you raise the engine up. If my marina ever steps my mast I figured some engine mount modification will be the next in order of things to do. I may not ever need to do so however as I thing I will still be doing battle with them at the end of the year.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 05/17/2007 : 13:25:57

After seeing Steve's photos I moved my Honda 9.9 a bit to starboard and now it does complete turns to port and most-of-the-way to starboard. The starboard turns are restricted by the gear lever. I had ordered a bracket but am going to return it now. If you are going to get a bracket you can have my brand-new one for $65 instead of the $75 from Catalina.

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willy
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Response Posted - 05/17/2007 : 19:35:48

Bubba,
When I first bought my 2003 WB the dealer strongly suggested I put a mounting bracket on and it was good advice. Not only did it facilitate turning in both directions and give me a bit more depth for my Honda motor but when someone plowed into the motor and destroyed it last year (while in the slip) it absorbed some of the stress of the accident. I have since replaced it with a Tohatsu. Performs extremely well, weighs close to 40 lbs less, has a smaller cowling, came with electric start, and costs close to 500 bucks less than the Honda (without electric start).

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 17:28:21

My 250 came without an outboard bracket and I'd like to keep it that way if possible. I asked a local dealer for a price on a Honda 9.9 extra long shaft (25") and was told Honda doesn't make the 9.9 with an extra long shaft. I took that as a measure of their Honda expertise and will be talking to another dealer about Hondas. The Tohatsu looks pretty hard to beat price-wise and it looks to be about 20 lbs lighter than the Honda.

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 05/18/2007 : 20:55:38

Bubba,
Are you having problems with your 8hp, or just looking for more uumph?

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 05/20/2007 : 18:39:23

Tom, I can turn the 8hp OK. I'm looking to replace it because it's a noisey 2-stroke and 10 years old.

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