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pegasus
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Initially Posted - 08/30/2006 : 21:07:34

Hi Folks:

My '86 model has the old Hillerange alcohol stove. It needs work and, from what I've read, isn't worth keeping or repairing. The pump barely functions and one of the burners never really heated up enough to operate properly.

That said, what are your recommendations for an inexpensive replacement? I've seen the Origo brand units and others costing $300.00+. I wouldn't have a problem coughing that up, but I seriously doubt I'll use the unit much. A few overnighters every now and then, but no serious cruising.

Any suggestions?

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djn
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Response Posted - 08/30/2006 : 21:24:11

Hi Peg, check out John's refit at http://www.johnvining.com/newstove.html

It is a very cool install. Cheers.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 14:00:15

I yanked my alcohol stove a few years back, but if I need a stove aboard, I'll use my Brinkmann stainless steel camp stove.

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PamC
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 14:51:30

We spend every weekend on board and have found we're happy using a single burner butane stove. I think we paid about $25 for it at a sportman's show, but you can get them anywhere they sell camping stuff. Our old curtain burner works fine, but our lake is at 5000 feet altitude and it takes forever for the thing to boil water. We can take the butane burner out into the cockpit with us and fix coffee there in the mornings. Or use it to heat up a side dish for whatever is cooking on the magma grill. It came with a plastic case that fits perfectly next to the porta potti.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 15:24:01

I also switched to a single burner butane stove. It starts first time every time with no pre-heat hassels and is small enough to store out of the way. I now use the old stove space for storing small stuff. Eventually I'm planning a small chart table for that spot.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 15:27:07

I use a $35 coleman propane stove very simlar to the one shown but not stainless. I have a pine board across where the old stove was, the new propane stove is bolted to this board. The board is screwed down. Where the old stove was, I now have storage bins.

Inexpensive and vastly superior to the old alcohol setup.

Also have a propane barbeque on the stern rail and a propane lantern which is usually set on the top companionway step with the hatch open.

Edited by - JimB517 on 08/31/2006 15:28:42

danandlu
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 18:27:06

So if propane is heavier than air and so is butane (right?), how come the butane stoves are "approved" for indoor use and the propane isn't? Both give off CO?

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glivs
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Response Posted - 08/31/2006 : 20:21:44

Dan,
Yes, butane is both heavier than propane and air. Both are in gas phase at temps we will be sailing in although butane is much easier to bottle/store in liquid form. A well ventilated area is a must with either. The issue with being heavier than air, is that if a leak were to occur, the gas could accumulate at the lowest point (e.g. the sole)and possibly reach an explosive concentration (about 2%) that could be easily ignited. The volume of gas held by the small butane bottles used for the stoves listed above wouldn't under most circumstances pose an issue. The larger bottles typically used for propane, in contrast, would pose a significant risk. CO can be given off burning either gas but only if combustion is incomplete. If the flame is blue, CO is not an issue.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/01/2006 : 07:06:13

Jim, OCD is a terrible thing, put down the label machine and step away.

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danandlu
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Response Posted - 09/01/2006 : 08:51:11

Gerry,

Thanks for the explanation.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/01/2006 : 11:15:35

If you are talking about my labels on the home made electric panel, you should see my cockpit. For the ease of my racing crew I've labeled every line and clutch. We have this cool label machine at work.

Here is collegue Stan working on my system.

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dblitz
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Response Posted - 09/01/2006 : 17:37:31

I've been going thru the same thing. Balancing the cost of a non- pressurized alcohol origo with the amount of use it will probably get and the idea of having a butane stove that has to be stored somewhere and setup somewhere. So I bought a trangia alcohol burning stove on ebay for $ 12.00. The idea is that I can remove the burners and tank from the hillerange and somehow (haven't quite figured this part out yet) attach the trangea in place of the original burner. I figured it's worth a try because the hillerange is all stainless and it's gimbaled to boot. Can't beat that.

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