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glivs
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Initially Posted - 05/28/2024 : 03:45:11

Just curious. How many C25's were produced in the US and over what years? Info quoted by Practical Sailor and others online vary markedly, with some listings clearly in error and others perhaps publication year dependent. The sail numbers listed on this forum exceed 6000 with the newest model year being 1991 but I don't know whether or not the numbering was consecutive or how representative the sampling of boats here on the forum is. Has anyone seen any summary from Catalina Yachts?

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Response Posted - 06/01/2024 : 07:49:52

Perhaps Catalina Yachts has published the number, or maybe Sailboatdata? Here�s what you get up there
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/catalina-25/
5866 boats built. Mine is 5032, perhaps they started numbering with 1001? Or numbered them in batches with discontinuous sequencing?

Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

Port Captain � Milford, CT

Edited by - Voyager on 06/01/2024 07:53:54

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Response Posted - 06/01/2024 : 13:38:20

quote:
Originally posted by Voyager

Perhaps Catalina Yachts has published the number, or maybe Sailboatdata? Here�s what you get up there
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/catalina-25/
5866 boats built. Mine is 5032, perhaps they started numbering with 1001? Or numbered them in batches with discontinuous sequencing?

They started with hull #1, "Confetti," which is still in beautiful condition.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Response Posted - 06/02/2024 : 09:56:48

And who I never got the chance to race against. It would have been a fun day no matter the outcome.

Derek Crawford
Chief Measurer C25-250 2008
Previous owner of "This Side UP"
1981 C-25 TR/FK #2262 Used to have an '89 C22 #9483, "Downsized"
San Antonio, Texas

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Response Posted - 06/03/2024 : 20:26:11

So if 834 C-25 boats were built after Passage in 9 years, that�s about 93 boats built per year on average. In prior years, the average was 718 per year.
I�m guessing that the actual number of boats built per year was more based on demand and back-orders. According to sailboat data, the C25 was THE most popular production sailboat ever of this size. Of course, the most popular s production sailboat of ANY size remains the Catalina 22.

Bruce Ross
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Port Captain � Milford, CT

Edited by - Voyager on 06/04/2024 05:27:12

glivs
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Response Posted - 06/07/2024 : 04:43:00

I forwarded a message to Catalina Yachts earlier this week inquiring about the number of C25's produced in the U.S.; hopefully they will respond.

I haven't been able to access the Forum's "Boat Search" these past couple of days due to an "Internal Server Error". Anyone else having any issues or is it just me? I simply wanted to verify the highest sail numbers and model years of boats listed here.

From a Practical Sailor article edited in 2018, 5,332 C25's were "sold" between 1976 and 1990 "when the company ceased producing the model".

SailboatData and Wikipedia in nearly identically worded articles cite 5,866 C25's "produced" between 1978-1994. Source/year of information unknown.

Surprisingly (at least to me) the CatalinaYachts "History" web page has no reference of any kind to the C25 but does note that the C250 WB was introduced in May 1994 and C250 Hull #100 was built in April 1995.

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
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Response Posted - 06/07/2024 : 05:18:06

I always thought that the sail number was the production number. Am I wrong?

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

glivs
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Response Posted - 06/08/2024 : 06:41:57

I've always thought that the Sail number should match the Hull no. but may be only loosely correlated with the production no. For example we know online info suggests 5,866 C25's were manufactured in the U.S. although there are many boats with sail no. over 5,900. Additionally, C25's were reportedly produced up to or in 1994 yet the newest model year listed on this site is 1991 so we do not know the final sail no. I'm just trying to identify where the disconnect lies. Do we not have an accurate listing of the no. of boats built or was the numbering system discontinuous ... of trivial importance but just curious and possibly of interest to the Association.

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Response Posted - 06/08/2024 : 08:07:59

Catalina knows how many C25 hulls they built and is the most reliable source of information. Information from any other source is questionable.

Unless you race, you're not required to put any numbers on your sails. Sometimes you may assign your own sail number. Some racing associations will assign a sail number to you upon request. Usually people use their hull number on their sails, but not always. There's no universal requirement.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
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Response Posted - 06/10/2024 : 04:11:59

Thanks Steve. I'm still learning.....which is one reason sailing is just fun!

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
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Response Posted - 06/10/2024 : 22:41:59

So now I see what piqued your interest. If only 5866 boats were produced, how on earth did you come to own 5972? It�s pretty certain that yours was not the last C25. Things are getting curiouser and curiouser!

Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032

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Response Posted - 06/11/2024 : 21:00:59

My hull, #5820, was manufactured in 1989. I had thought that 1990-1991 was when the last C25's were manufactured and that there were approximately 6000 hulls produced. This topic, therefore, sparked my interest.

I contacted Catalina Yachts for historical info and a representative provided the following info:
"The C-25 started in Woodland Hills, CA around mid to later 1977 .. (ex: any boat that completed August 1st of any year, or a few days before and shipped out would be the new model year.) Hence 1978 was I believe the first full model year starting with hull # 1. The Largo Fl plant opened in June of 1984 and sets of 22, 25 and 30 molds were sent here and the 25 was built at both plants thru 1994 when the 250 succeeded the 25 between 1994 -1995. As I recall, there were close to 6,500 C-25�s built over that span."

Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

glivs
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Response Posted - 06/13/2024 : 04:06:48

Thanks Larry. CatalinaYachts did not respond to my online inquiry. The information you secured is from the most reliable source we have but many questions remain. For example, with two plants producing boats did they adopt a hull numbering system that was continuous or discontinuous? In addition, "close to 6,500 C25's built" is considerably more than suggested by earlier citations. Unfortunately I still cannot access this forum's "Boat Search" link... "Internal Server Error" ... but iirc it would suggest that about 15% of the boats produced are represented here on the forum and that the newest model year represented is from 1991. I wonder what the highest sail no. produced was?

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Response Posted - 06/13/2024 : 10:21:35

FWIW -- "Sailboatdata.com" lists the number to be 5866. I agree, Catalina Yachts should have the most accurate numbers. More interesting is if the hull numbers ever differentiated where the boat was built after the 1984 addition of Morgan's Florida location.

Peter Bigelow
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Rowayton, Ct
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Response Posted - 06/13/2024 : 11:11:54

quote:
Originally posted by OLarryR

The Largo Fl plant opened in June of 1984 and sets of 22, 25 and 30 molds were sent here and the 25 was built at both plants thru 1994 when the 250 succeeded the 25 between 1994 -1995. As I recall, there were close to 6,500 C-25�s built over that span."

For some period prior to 1984, C25s were being built not only at Woodland Hills, CA, but also at a Catalina plant at Ft. Walton Beach, FL. My 1981 C25 was built at Ft. Walton Beach. I took delivery of it from a dealer in Destin, Fl, who accepted my personal, out-of-state check for the full purchase price. My, how times have changed!

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Edited by - Steve Milby on 06/13/2024 11:15:06

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Response Posted - 06/23/2024 : 15:30:38

quote:
Originally posted by bigelowp

FWIW -- "Sailboatdata.com" lists the number to be 5866. I agree, Catalina Yachts should have the most accurate numbers. More interesting is if the hull numbers ever differentiated where the boat was built after the 1984 addition of Morgan's Florida location.

My boat is an '89 and is 5862. I believe I remember someone on this forum had a '91 and was in the 5900's or 6000's. Good chance I'm not remembering things correctly. :)

BTW... I'm getting an Internal Server Error when I click on the photos or Boat Search links.

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Edited by - GaryB on 06/23/2024 15:35:10

glivs
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Response Posted - 06/24/2024 : 05:09:59

FYI....Russ (Assoc. Commodore) emailed me earlier that the Internal Server error was an issue that arose with the last server update and the problem is being addressed.

Gerry Livingston, Malletts Bay, VT
"Great Escape" 1989 C-25 SR/WK #5972

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Response Posted - 06/24/2024 : 06:05:17

I tried another way, though briefly, to see if I could get more info on any late Catalina 25s produced - I tried searching on Catalina 25s for sale. In the past and this brief search I did right now, I could find none with date in the 90s for sale. I know there are plenty of 1988s and 1989s around but I do not ever recall any that I have seen from 1992 or later. So, I am also very curious not whether sail numbers necesarilly match Mfr/VIN nos but has anyone ever seen mention of a 1992, 1993 or 1994 Cat 25 for sale? If Catalina indicates they were produced up to 1993-1994, we should be able to find some from at least 1992-1993? Anyone ever seen one up for sale or mentioned about in any posting? I found one "For Sale" site that had a 2007 Cat 25 for sale....but of course the photo showed it was a Cat 250.

Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

Edited by - OLarryR on 06/24/2024 06:10:49

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Response Posted - 06/24/2024 : 15:20:19

I was under the impression '91 was the final year for the C25. I've seen one or two '91's for sale over the years but nothing later.

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Response Posted - 06/24/2024 : 21:20:39

Gary,

I think you are right regarding 1991 being last year. But the representative from Catalina that provided me a response (I listed it above) indicated Cat 25s up to 1993/1994. Perhaps that was in error.

Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

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Response Posted - 06/24/2024 : 22:07:33

I very vaguely recall somebody (maybe Bill Holcomb, who was a Catalina dealer) saying that starting around 1991 (?) Catalina only built C-25s to special order. That suggests they could have built some later, but the price was probably a signal they weren't anxious to do so. It appeared by 1990 they had concluded the cost to build was too great for the marketplace, and that making them fancier in 1989 didn't help. The new cabin/deck molds in 1989 were probably a financial bust. The C-250, starting in 1995, was their response, but it's market never matched that of the C-25 in its heyday (the mid-'80s when they cranked out over 1,000 C-25s a year for a few years--more than all of the C-250s built in their entire 12-year run.) These days Catalina's primary market appears to be 38' - 45', and well into six-figures. And by all accounts they are fine vessels!

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/24/2024 22:08:48

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Response Posted - 06/25/2024 : 06:00:39

And this probably didn't help sales;

Effective January 1, 1991, the Federal government imposed an excise tax on certain "luxury" goods. The rate of tax was 10% of the amount of the price that exceeded a specified threshold amount. Originally, this excise tax was imposed on the sale of jewelry, furs, passenger vehicles, watercraft, and aircraft.

Seeadler
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Response Posted - 06/25/2024 : 15:33:09

Dave,
Your memory of that past discussion regarding production of Cat25s during the last years� it was produced helps explain what happened back then!

Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

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Response Posted - 06/25/2024 : 20:26:15

quote:
Originally posted by OLarryR

Dave,
Your memory of that past discussion regarding production of Cat25s during the last years� it was produced helps explain what happened back then!

Perhaps... But I've occasionally been accused of saying more than I know.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/25/2024 20:30:23

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Response Posted - 07/02/2024 : 21:46:23

An interesting topic as my present Boomeroo 25 was built from the first catalina 25 moulds that were redundant in the USA because of need for a self draining fuel locker . ie mine is on the port side and not self draining . Many maybe 100 C25s sold and manufactured in Australia to strict catalina specification . Also sold in UK as Jaguars .
So the total C25 specification yachts built could be many more than US numbers ???

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
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Response Posted - 07/03/2024 : 20:43:47

You bring up an interesting point regarding additional hulls built outside of the US, though, while they may have been built to identical Cat 25 specs, as I understand it, they were sold under different names and doubtful if their VIN numbers followed same numbering scheme (which included the hull number in it). But at this stage of the CAT 25 life history, these should be added to the total count. We probably will never know the exact total number but�.with your info�..it just grew a bit larger!

Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
http://catalina25.homestead.com/olarryr.html

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