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C25BC
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Initially Posted - 12/28/2024 :  09:11:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like it’s time to replace my 2005 Yamaha 8hp high thrust outboard this season.
I’m considering a 6 hp sail pro or something similar . As i get older that electric start electric tilt 25” shaft motor is getting bloody heavy . Anyone running a 6 on our boats ?
I’m on a blustery inland lake not fighting much current but often 30-35 knot winds .
Angus
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/28/2024 :  14:48:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a Nissan 6 (which is made by Tohatsu and re-badged) on a Cal 25 on the Chesapeake Bay, with its currents and choppy waves, and the conditions were never too much for it. IMO, very few people really need a 9.9 hp.

On the Chesapeake, I never tried to motor or motor sail to windward in winds over 30 kt. The choppy waves pounding on the bow almost stop the boat. I tried it once on a friend's 28' Triton with an inboard motor, and we had to turn back because we made so little progress and used so much fuel that we'd have run out of fuel. You should never have currents or that much chop on a small inland lake.

I made some 25-30 mile passages by motor and the Nissan 6 or Sailpro 6 is amazingly stingy on fuel. The 9.9 has 2 cylinders and consequently, more parts, and weighs around 95 lbs. The Sailpro 6 has one cylinder, fewer parts, costs less to buy, and only weighs about 59 lbs.

If the wind is coming at an angle instead of head-to-wind, you can still make headway by huggung the windward shore. The trees and terrain will help shelter you from the wind and the waves along the windward shore will be much smaller.

I sold the Cal 25 with the Nissan, and bought a J24 and bought a Sailpro 6 for it.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 12/29/2024 :  08:03:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah I’m going to pick one up at the boat show next month . My Yamaha with all the features is around 120lbs , with the 25” leg it takes a bit to clear the dock.
Thanks for the input
Angus
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islander
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Response Posted - 12/30/2024 :  07:34:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds great. I would suggest to definitely get the 25" shaft. You want to keep the prop in the water at all times. Let us know how this works out cuz I'm no spring chicken and could benefit from a lighter engine.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 12/30/2024 :  11:06:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

...You should never have currents or that much chop on a small inland lake...
How 'bout if his lake is 35 miles long? (I was curious.)
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 12/30/2024 :  12:16:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The North end of the lake gets narrow and over 1000’ deep it is known for 8’ swells in winter outflow storms but I never sail up that way and certainly not in those conditions.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/30/2024 :  16:00:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Stinkpotter

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

...You should never have currents or that much chop on a small inland lake...
How 'bout if his lake is 35 miles long? (I was curious.)
I wouldn't consider a lake that's 35 miles long "small." My lake is 17 miles long, but it takes a couple bends, so the fetch is never more than about 5 miles. If a lake is straight and 35 miles long and the wind blows straight up it, you can see some significant chop.

Motoring downwind in a 25' boat is probably do-able on a 35 mile long lake in winds up to about 55-60 kts. The problem is in motoring to windward. Instead of trying to motor to windward, the better choice would be to find shelter in a river or cove or on a windward shore and anchor until the wind abates.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Edited by - Steve Milby on 12/30/2024 18:25:31
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 12/31/2024 :  08:55:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I originally had a 6hp on TSU and it was inadequate in any chop with frequent cavitation. I switched to an 8hp Nissan without trouble until a 50 mph squall came through. We motored flat out into the wind and were making 1 knot and the waves were a good 3feet. It can get bad on an inland lake, and Canyon Lake was notorious for it.
Derek Crawford
Chief Measurer C25-250 2008
Previous owner of "This Side UP"
1981 C-25 TR/FK #2262 Used to have an '89 C22 #9483, "Downsized"
San Antonio, Texas
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 12/31/2024 :  09:31:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From the air, Angus's lake looks pretty straight, and much of it only about 3 miles wide. Beautiful spot! The banks appear to be fairly steep woodlands, which can create big swirling winds on a windward side. There appear to be few if any places to hide as you go north of where I presume he sails from. 8-footers are hard to imagine there! No motor is going to deal with that. If Derek's 6hp was a 20" (the longest for most of that size), I suspect things would have been different with a 25" like the Sailpro. I experienced the difference when I replaced an 8L with an 8XL.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 12/31/2024 :  12:29:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Derek Crawford

I originally had a 6hp on TSU and it was inadequate in any chop with frequent cavitation. I switched to an 8hp Nissan without trouble until a 50 mph squall came through. We motored flat out into the wind and were making 1 knot and the waves were a good 3feet. It can get bad on an inland lake, and Canyon Lake was notorious for it.

I can vouch for that. I got caught out in the middle of Canyon when a thunderstorm came out of nowhere. Wind was an easy 15 with gusts over 20. I was able to make it into a cove but I was probably doing 20 for a few minutes. Several boats in a race closer to the dam were dismasted that day.

My 8HP Suzuki has handled Galveston Bay without any issues. Being on the bay with a usual long fetch I don't think I would go below 8 HP.

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GaryB
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Edited by - GaryB on 12/31/2024 12:33:23
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 01/12/2025 :  09:19:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hear ya about the weight and raising/lowering the OB. If you go with less HP you should still go for a 25 shaft and review the engine weights. Tohatsu had the lightest weight engines, Honda and Suzuki the heaviest. Also consider looking at onlineoutboards.com Back in 2007 i purchased my Tohatsu even with delivery it was much less expensive than anyplace else.
Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
Port Captain: Rowayton/Norwalk/Darien CT
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/13/2025 :  15:03:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by bigelowp

...onlineoutboards.com Back in 2007 i purchased my Tohatsu even with delivery it was much less expensive than anyplace else.
Just don't forget to add oil when you get it. I recall many years ago somebody here frying a brand-new outboard they had shipped to them.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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