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John J.
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Initially Posted - 04/06/2005 : 05:28:05

Anyone tried Bristol Finish for exterior teak? They make some pretty incredible claims. 10 times the UV protction of varnish, No sanding between coats, a recoat is needed only once every 2-4 yrs, and it's supposed to look like traditional varnish.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 06:49:18

I'm sorry that I used this stuff on my teak. It is a pain to mix to an 8 to 1 ratio, especially in small quantities. When dry, it hardens and then if you get the slightest chip, or crack the moisture wicks underneath and then turns the teak grey again. My teak looks like crap now. I'm going to have a tough time sanding it down. I hope that I can use another product to touch it up.

So now you folks who use Cetol, or oil can flame me now.

But I do think varnished teak looks the best. On my next, and future boat, I hope that I have all stainless exterior, and just teak on the inside.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 08:30:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">On my next, and future boat, I hope that I have all stainless exterior, and just teak on the inside.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> They're manufacturing planks for building the decks behind our homes out of plastic. Those planks never need to be stained or refinished. Why don't they mold grab rails out of plastic, and imprint them with wood grain and color them to resemble teak, so we don't have this annual chore? They would have the traditional look, be cheaper to manufacture, and be maintenance free.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 09:54:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Why don't they mold grab rails out of plastic, and imprint them with wood grain and color them to resemble teak, so we don't have this annual chore? They would have the traditional look, be cheaper to manufacture, and be maintenance free.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I think Al Eckhart on Gallivant manufactures those but I could be mistaken.

Steve

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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 10:47:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">On my next, and future boat, I hope that I have all stainless exterior, and just teak on the inside.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> They're manufacturing planks for building the decks behind our homes out of plastic. Those planks never need to be stained or refinished. Why don't they mold grab rails out of plastic, and imprint them with wood grain and color them to resemble teak, so we don't have this annual chore? They would have the traditional look, be cheaper to manufacture, and be maintenance free.
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Or you could go to the home center, buy the manufactured planks, and simply make your own.

[url="http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=caseyd0045"]Getting a Grip[/url] by Don Casey

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andy
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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 12:25:52

IdaSailor in Boise makes replacements for all the exterior teak on a C25 out of HDPE (high density polyelthlene). It's totally bulletproof and reasonably priced too. They also make swing rudders, and beautiful laminated tillers and really cool smoked plexi companionway boards. The quality is first class. I'm having them make the side pieces of the companionway for me. I like the look of teak on the rest. When I get tired of the teak maintenience I'll make the switch. They're on the web...check it out. (idasailor.com)

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:35:37

some of those manufactured planks are hollow. I would also question their strength.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2005 : 15:51:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 some of those manufactured planks are hollow. I would also question their strength.
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Last season I made a fenderboard out of a piece of manufactured plastic plank (with simulated woodgrain) and it was solid (heavy) and appears to be tough as nails.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/07/2005 : 16:45:58

Hey Don, How is the strength in resisting fastener pullout?

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Response Posted - 04/07/2005 : 19:10:10

If you are going to keep teak exterior...can't beat Cetol. Especially since the newer stuff does not turn yellow. Catalina has the right idea, get rid of exterior teak and make it stainless steel.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2005 : 21:59:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 Hey Don, How is the strength in resisting fastener pullout?
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Although not really scientific, I drove a drywall screw to a depth of 7/8" into both a piece of manufactured plank and a piece of 2x2 oak, and then I tried yanking them out with a crowbar.

They both held pretty good, but the screw in the oak pulled out with less effort, splintering the wood. When putting the final grunt into pulling the screw out of the manufactured plank, the screw broke leaving a 1/2" of it in the plank.

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Response Posted - 04/09/2005 : 12:53:42

A friend wrote Bristol re the problems stated above...got this reply:

Thank you for your interest in Bristol Finish.

You may wish to do a general search of the web- go to Yahoo and type in "Bristol finish" in the search bar. Please read ALL of the posts that you can find. Then, please ask yourself this question- are there some people in this world that don't follow directions?

Please note that the sales of Bristol Finish are continuing to grow at a rate of about 73%, and our reorder rate is way over 65%. Custom builders such as Rybovich, Buddy Davis, Steve Van Dam, Ed Cutts, Palmer Johnson, Trinity and many others are using our product in production. The Grand Banks factory is just beginning their standard production use. Egg Harbor is using our product as a standard finish on new yachts. Every Fleming trawler sold in the eastern U.S. for the past 5 years has been delivered with Bristol Finish as a standard finish. With the exception of Grand Banks and Egg Harbor, we're talking about multi-million $$ boats, and even those are the better part of $500,000 to $750,000 these days.

Chris-Craft has just contacted us and requested an in-factory demonstration, with the intention of using Bristol Finish as a production finish.

Golfing legend Greg Norman had personally specified Bristol Finish for use on his yacht "Aussie Rules", a 228' Oceanfast built in Australia. (Note - now owned by Wayne Huizenga, renamed "Floridian", and still using Bristol Finish.)

Would our track record be anywhere close to this with a product that didn't work as advertised?

Again, thank you for your interest in our product. Please note that OUR interest is in seeing a VERY beautiful, VERY long-lasting finish on YOUR boat. Nothing more, and certainly nothing less.

Sincerely,

Marshall Nix
C Tech Marine
manufacturers of Bristol Finish
high performance marine coatings

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John J.
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Response Posted - 04/10/2005 : 00:23:57

Sounds impressive, practical sailor rated them "excellant".

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/10/2005 : 10:17:27

I followed the Bristol Finish directions exactly, to the letter.

I won't use it again

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/10/2005 : 11:42:59

after going back out to work on my boat and seeing the "Bristol Finish" on my teak I remembered some of my conversations with the bristol finish tech reps when I was considering using their product. Concerns about their product was voiced on the Catalina 22 discussion site, and elsewhere. When I brought up these issues the reply was to attack the people who have concerns about their product as "not following directions" I should have suspected something at that time. I should have known that when an organization, person, or lawyer attacks the person, and not the message, they are just doing a tap dance around the issue.
It sounds like the Bristol Finish company must use the same spin doctors as Sailnet.
That's my opinion, I may be wrong. (I'm obviously one of those people who don't follow directions, don't tell that to my patients that I do anesthesia to, or my former clients when I managed multi million dollar construction projects)

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