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lifting the 9.9 yamaha high thrust

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Derek
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Initially Posted - 01/23/2005 : 15:09:45

hi folks.. derek here from nova scotia. I purchased a 9.9 yamaha high thrust outboard last summer.. It is a lovely motor.. however i have an injury which gives me trouble lifting the motor.. it weighs about 105 lbs.. I looked into a hoist to help.. but am now thinking a new motor mount with better, tougher springs might do the trick.. any suggestions?

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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 01/23/2005 : 16:55:06

I use the OMC mount with gas strut assist. Works good. There are others that work well too and are cheaper. The OMC mount is good and ages well. Dave

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/23/2005 : 17:24:03

Another thread just posted good results with the new 4 spring Garhauer mount... on a Yamaha high thrust 4 stroke.

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adamb
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Response Posted - 01/23/2005 : 21:59:06

i just put on the garhauer 3 spring on mine - i use a 9.9 johnson sailmaster with a 25' shaft.
it is so strong that i have to push it down to the last notch, and it lifts itself most of the way up. its great, and well built.
I suggest that when you do this retro fit, you put starboard backer on both the inside and outside to spread the load and prevent oilcanning -- I used half inch starboard and it has worked great. This mount will fit in the factory holes.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 : 18:51:03

Springs in my mount broke so I used a smaller vertion of the main sheet tackle pully system . A small block and tacle system from the top of my stern rail to the outboard braket handle . I could lif the engine while sitting in the corner of the cockpit.

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 01/24/2005 : 21:43:55

I am with Doug, except my motor is a two stroke, pretty light, Nissan 9.8. But a simple three part tackle allows me to lift the beast easily enough. Eventually pictures will ensue. Without the tackle, I really dont know.....Ron SrSk Orion SW FL

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 01/25/2005 : 00:13:27

I like Doug's idea as even with good bracket I would want second backup if something went wrong with me or the boat. I have the CD 4 spring bracket for the Honda and the first try to lift still takes a pull. A three or four part system could be used in other lifts. Jim Sweet

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Derek
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Response Posted - 01/25/2005 : 19:51:21

thanks for the feedback folks.. i was looking at a winch but the good ones cost 400.00 or so Canadian.. and our motor mount is kind of old.. we had to rebend it to get it aligned this year.. any idea of the cost of these Garhauer mounts?.. derek

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adamb
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Response Posted - 01/25/2005 : 20:24:18

I bought my new mount from CD for $390 or so including shipping - and it is realy well built

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Response Posted - 01/25/2005 : 20:49:54

The other good option (maybe the best) for a heavy 4-stroke is the Garelick 71091. A few people here have it--I expected you'd hear from some. http://www.garelick.com/

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 01/26/2005 : 09:26:47

The 4-spring Garhauer/Catalina Direct mount in US$289, plus shipping. I just finished installing one, and it lifts my 130 pound Yamaha T8 (with power tilt) just fine. The Garelick 71091 can be found mail order for about US$279 at one or two places on the Internet. The Garhauer might have more vertical lift range than the Garelick - Frank Hopper (Wichita, Kansas), says his Garelick 71091 doesn't drop much below horizontal; all the vertical lift is above horizontal. This implies that the Garhauer may be the better choice for a Catalina 25. I always thought that the Garelick looked like it was designed for a powerboat, not a sailboat, although they are incredibly strong, I'll give them that. The thread on my new Garhauer mount is here:
http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8414

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/29/2005 : 16:26:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lcharlot
 Frank Hopper (Wichita, Kansas), says his Garelick 71091 doesn't drop much below horizontal; all the vertical lift is above horizontal.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I might be wrong, but I vaguely recall that Frank has the 71090, which does not go down nearly as far. Appearance-wise, the Garelick has the disadvantage in being coal-black aluminum (cast pieces), while the Garhauer is stainless tubes. I haven't seen either of these new models first-hand, so don't know which I'd choose.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/29/2005 : 17:13:11

71091
Stock on the left, modified on the right.

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seastream
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Response Posted - 01/31/2005 : 22:20:39

The term 'oilcanning' scares me, since it references transom collapse. My '87 Evinrude 9.9 two stroke w/20" shaft weighs 88 pounds. Runs fine, but I'm considering a four stroke for all the well known reasons. However, since they're (Yama/Honda/Merc) all around the 110 pound range (Nissan 9.8/15" shaft is 82; 25" shaft model weight unknown), I'm hesitant. Some have repowered with, some without, reinforcing the transom. For those that reinforce, did you simply mount reinforcing material equal in size to the area covered by your mount, or did you mount a square from the inside that spanned the entire transom width (makes more sense). I'd also like to know if the general consensus is that oilcanning happens from the weight alone, or from the extra pressure on the transom created by a throttle 'goose'.

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 02/01/2005 : 00:12:59

I have just installed the CD four spring bracket and mounted a Honda 25" lower unit on it. I followed the suggestion of Dave, Leon and ClamBeach and it is a great success, thanks. I have checked by even hanging on the outboard and looked for any movement of the transom and found none. I used the 1/2" Starboard as Dave suggested, rounded all edges, sealed pieces to the hull with 3M5200 and filled voids with epoxie and then used angle aluminum, 1/4", 2 1/2", on the inside. Everything fits up tight and looks very good. I still will figure help with the lift looking to the future with a 3 part line and blocks. I can now lift and lower the unit with ease which is real piece of mind. Jim Sweet

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/01/2005 : 10:32:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by seastream
 The term 'oilcanning' scares me, since it references transom collapse. My '87 Evinrude 9.9 two stroke w/20" shaft weighs 88 pounds. Runs fine, but I'm considering a four stroke for all the well known reasons. However, since they're (Yama/Honda/Merc) all around the 110 pound range (Nissan 9.8/15" shaft is 82; 25" shaft model weight unknown), I'm hesitant. Some have repowered with, some without, reinforcing the transom. For those that reinforce, did you simply mount reinforcing material equal in size to the area covered by your mount, or did you mount a square from the inside that spanned the entire transom width (makes more sense). I'd also like to know if the general consensus is that oilcanning happens from the weight alone, or from the extra pressure on the transom created by a throttle 'goose'.
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If the transom can support a 250+ lb person on my transom ladder without oil canning, I'm sure it can handle a relatively paltry 110 lbs without doing so also.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 02/01/2005 : 14:32:30

I have the Garelick 71091 motor mount, same as Frank's. I'm going to do the same lift bracket modification he did so I can get a lower setting for the down position. If I were to buy a new mount right now (for my 110 lb Honda) I would probably get the 4 spring Garhaur as you wouldn't have to do any modifications to it to get it to go down further, and also the holes will line up.
The Garelick is quite sturdy though, and the motor mount plate is wide enough for a 4 stroke. I seem to recall that the Garhaur motor mount board is too narrow. Anybody else recall this issue?
Frank

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 02/02/2005 : 02:13:08

Frank your modification to the motor bracket intrigues me. I worry that it may be a little weak at the top now though. The bracket lifts my 15 hp evenrude fine. I have to push it down to the bottom notch. I need to take some profile shots like Frank's. When our motor is down the bottom of the bracket just skims the water. As I power up the stern sits down and the plate drags in the water. I trailer my boat with the motor on the bracket. I built a strut that supports the lower end back to the lower hinge bolt of the bracket. Keeps everything rock solid and nothing bounces while we go down the highway.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 02/02/2005 : 14:23:07

Info: Tohatsu/Nissan 9.8 XLS(25") gross weight 91lbs.
Very nice engine, quite, almost zero vibration and burns .67gph at 3/4 throttle while pushing our boat at 5.8kts.

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tmhansen
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Response Posted - 02/04/2005 : 00:42:28

Jerry and Arlyn, you both have fuel burn rates that sound like you have very accurately calculated. How exactly do you achieve this? I would like to do the same. As of yet I have not done any long motoring trips. Do you mark the tank with a grease pencil and then again at the end of the trip?

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Ben
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Response Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:04:05

Frank, you're always great with the pictures. Why did you need to increase the depth of you engine though? By the looks of the engine on the left, the prop seems plenty deep in the water based on the waterline stripe on the boat. If I modified my bracket like you have I would expect the bottom edge of my bracket to be dragging in the water due to the stern of my boat squatting while under way.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/04/2005 : 09:06:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben
 Frank, you're always great with the pictures. Why did you need to increase the depth of you engine though? By the looks of the engine on the left, the prop seems plenty deep in the water based on the waterline stripe on the boat. If I modified my bracket like you have I would expect the bottom edge of my bracket to be dragging in the water due to the stern of my boat squatting while under way.

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(Thanks for the kudo)
Astute as always Ben. I added too much depth. I was seeking that extra position needed for the rough following sea and the too much weight on the bow moments. Basicly I added a notch with equal spacing from the other notches. I think 2/3 spacing for the last notch would be better.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 02/04/2005 11:15:10

Ben
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Response Posted - 02/04/2005 : 09:47:31

Ahhh, I see Frank, I think. I have never had a problem with following seas, since I've never sailed my boat anywhere but my little reservoir, so I don't completely understand but I think I got the jist of it. I look forward to your post tonight.

Thanks,

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