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osmepneo
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Initially Posted - 10/10/2003 : 14:23:02

This picture is taken from the transom and show the full width of the traveller system with osmepneo's midboom sheeting system.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce31b3127cce8f8c0cd11ba40000001610" border=0>

This picture is of the blocks on the port side of the cockpit. Note that the traveller control line is continuous, and can be adjusted from either side.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce31b3127cce8f8c0cc29a870000001610" border=0>

This picture showes the starboard side with the the traveller car offset for ease of entry into the cabin. The blue line is the main sheet, the green line is the reefing line, black the main halyard and the white line with blue flecks is the traveller control line.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3ce31b3127cce8f8c0d70daad0000001610" border=0>

osmepneo had just been taken out of the water when I took these pictures, and I hadn't started to clean things up for the inter.

Hope this helps.

Don Peet
osmepneo, on the hard
c25, sr/converted wing.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 17:04:16

Thanks for moving this to a new topic. These are some pictures of the Harken set up on a transom. If this removed most of the grief thne it seems to have advantages over the mid boom project. Of course if mid boom sheeting is what you are after then the traveler up front is the way to go. I am still vasilating.
Harken custom curves track.
<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/Harken%20curve.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/harken%20stop%20cleats.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/harken%20purchase.jpg" border=0>
<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/harken%20mainsheet.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Sea Trac
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Vanuatu
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 17:12:54

Frank,

Three problems with the Harken transom traveller system are: 1) only gets another ~4" of play at the track (i.e., less than 4" at the boom end), 2) doesn't solve the "clothes line" or behind-the-helm issues, and 3) costs nearly $500.

IMO the companionway solution obtains substantially more than 4" of boom end play and solves #2. Although, it also will probably be costly.

J.B. Manley
Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' the Cherokees
36°29'58" -94°59'59"

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 17:49:36

Don's setup also eliminates reclining against the bulkhead. I'm wondering, at the cost of some traveler travel (!), if anyone has created a bridgedeck right aft of the companionway and mounted the traveler across the footwell but not across the seats. That would allow roughly the same travel as the stock traveler.

Brooke

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Sea Trac
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Vanuatu
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 19:10:52

Brooke,

Wouldn't the angle of the sheet coming from the cockpit floor be a problem? How about a flying bridge mounted to the coamings just aft of the companionway? Presents headknocker, bimini and cleat angle problems, though.

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J.B. Manley
Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' the Cherokees
36°29'58" -94°59'59"

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 22:14:38

It is all very frustrating.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 23:13:44

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
It is all very frustrating.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Yup... Although taking all things into consideration, including the fact that most of us have tiller steering--not a pedestal (so we're not standing at the centerline)--Frank probably got it just about right, especially when he replaced the original traveler with the one integral to the sternrail.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 10/10/2003 : 23:40:38

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> How about a flying bridge mounted to the coamings just aft of the companionway?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That's what I meant by a bridgedeck, J.B.

Brooke

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 09:24:18

Now tyhat I've finally got the picture thing re-figured out, and have all the pictures posted that I want posted, I'll comment about two problems with the traveller set up I have.

1. As Brooke noticed, the traveller makes reclining against the cabin uncomfortable. We addressed that with a long, bending cushion that we picked up at Sail-Expo a few years ago. But that solution is practical when sailing.

2. When sailing with people who don't know how to sail, and don't know about traveller adjustments and main sheet adjustments, I find I'm reaching under legs to get to the main sheet, and that someone is sitting close to the traveller car making adjusting it difficult.

What I'm planning to do is "invent" a transom mounted traveller, thinks for your pics frank, and use that when I'm with people who don't know sailing stuff.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/11/2003 : 09:59:58

As for the seat back thing, if you go back to the exploded view of the Jaguar 25 you will see that they appear to have a bracket/support that only goes between the two seats. We could fabricate that and have a very short traveler up front that would not interfere with the seats.
I am beginning to wonder if a killer multi purchase boom vang led back to the cockpit isn't the answer. This guy has the beginning of a killer system.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/25%20vang%20system.jpg" border=0>

Assuming that our goal is sail shape, it would provide the capabilities needed and then we could all relegate the transom traveler to positioning the boom relative to the centerline. I know this still doesn't cure the "pile o crap" at the back of the boat but maybe we should all get some new smaller mainsheet line with the supper core and reduce clutter by reducing overall bulk. There are certainly new smaller blocks that we could use for a purchase.
BTW I looked at a 250 the other day and I'm surprised there isn't more discussion from them about their traveler, it was vestigial at best.

<img src="http://members.cox.net/fhopper/Catalina25/sigbow.jpg" border=0>Frank and Martha in Wichita KS. Lake Cheney

Edited by - fhopper@mac.com on 10/11/2003 13:55:02

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