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dock
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Initially Posted - 04/12/2003 : 17:58:48

I have a regular 110 jib and a 150 genoa available on the 1990 25 I just purchased. Both are set up for a furling system. I'm wondering how much use I'm going to get out of each sail. On my last sailboat a 21' San Juan I left the genoa on all the time. I'm not to familiar with a furling system so I don't know whether you can sail with the 150 partially rolled up or not. I sail mostly on lakes.

Any imput would be welcome.

"ParaDocks"

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/12/2003 : 18:14:47

Dock,

That's the way furled sails work. Not as wind kindly as hanked on sails but they take the work and danger out of fordeck work when faced with less than favorable conditions.

Val on the hard DAGANBIT

Val Bisagni]<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df11b3127cce94709c5ff2e90000000010" border=0>

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 00:57:13

Partial furling is indeed the way to go, however, I believe that rolling a sail up past halfway leaves a sail with little or no shape, which is not the most efficient way to go to windward. There is such a thing as a foam luff which, if not installed a sailmaker can put in, and is said to improve the shape of a partially furled head sail, but I'm not personally familiar with it.
Unless the lakes you sail on are the Great Lakes, getting through waves is not an issue so the less efficient shape will probably not affect you as much. IOW, put up the big one and see what happens.....

Oscar
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Dennis Pierce
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 08:29:18

I found that a 150 is a great sail on a furling rig. However, it is very difficult to see under the sail and I had a few near misses with kayakers and sabots. (I wonder if they curse sail boaters on the kayaker forums?)

If I'm sailing off the coast, the 150 is the hot set up. In traffic, on busy weekends and inside the bay, I use the 110. Changing the sails is a 5 minute job. I have seen 150's with a "window", but they tend to cloud up and look like the rear window of a 10 year old MGB that was stored outside!

Dennis Pierce
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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 10:07:09

Dock/Oscar,

Hi. I have some experience with foam luff genoas. Had a Hild 150 foam luff genoa on a Newport that worked quite well. My current 150 is an Ullman foam luff furler and it seems that it's going to require some time to break-in. It's still too stiff to know how this foam luff is going to work. Presently(one month use last season)the foam luff when employed has the girth of a mast(well almost), fully deployed it is fine. The old 150 had little added to the luff when furled.
I seldom furl for any but the direst circumstances and at that juncture going to windward efficiently takes a backseat to getting where I want to go safely. Simply put the 150 is a great all purpose sail that can be modified when wind conditions are not exactly to your liking.

Run it out in moderate winds and get to know how it works. Experiment with it furled. Become your own expert. You'll love it.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 10:08:39

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/13/2003 : 21:00:12

Val... You're double-clicking again... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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frankr
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 08:11:29

Yes, as a kayaker and sailor we do curse and bad mouth anyone who runs over us. Usualy though with a sailboat you can get their attention since they aren't going real fast and disturbibg the atmsophere at 100+ decibels. Try sitting at water level with your head 2 feet above the water line and having some 20 feet plus chunk of fiberglass and metal hurtling at you when your top speed is 4 knots.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 09:54:19

Yeah Dave I know but it's frustrating how it comes about. When I click to post a reply the site tells me that I haven't entered my password, which I did, then when I reenter the password it comes out as a double post. I tried to erase one of them but can't find the trash can to do so.

So what else is new...mother in law is in the hospital...wife is having kidney stones sonic blasted...both kids are laid up with colds and I'm on crutches.

And still the boat is blocked from being launched.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 20:45:00

Oh man, Val... And I'm ragging on you about double posts. <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle> Hope things are looking up for everybody, and for your launch.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/14/2003 : 21:12:26

I put a roller furler on osmepneo and for me it was no brainer. Roll up and furl the 150, and put the 110 away with the 135 for another day. When the winds are light, I unfurl the whole thing, as the wind pipes up I start to furl up until I feel the boat is under control. That's basically the way it seems to me the furler and sails should be used.

What I have found is that I use the full sail almost all the time, because before having the furler I would have put up a smaller sail expect the full sail to be too much. Now, if it is, I can quickly tke up a turn or two and have the boat under control.

One last summer I was sailing with my son and the wind was pretty gusty. We making five to six with the 150 exposed, but it was work to keep the boat down. I took up a couple of turns and brought the boat under control, and still made 5 - 6.

I hope this helps. I'd put the 150 on the furler, and if I felt I needed less sail in the harbor, so be it, that's what I'd provide!

Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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