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Erik Cornelison
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Initially Posted - 05/25/2018 : 12:34:20

I have the original stove that came with my 1986 Catalina, is there a retro fix for it or something to make it work proper?

I have a Coleman stove, it works fine.

I just want to either fix this stove or toss it.

Erik

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Response Posted - 05/25/2018 : 14:50:56

Ah, the old curtain burner. I never had any luck and I'm not sure if you can get parts for them. I got tired of it and put in an Origo, which uses alcohol, which I feel is safer than LP in the galley.

https://www.dometic.com/en/se/products/food-and-beverage/cooking/cooktops/dometic-origo-3000-_-20432

Works great and pretty much drops in with gimbal mounts.

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Response Posted - 05/25/2018 : 18:40:24

I think the curtain burner got a bum rap. IMO when used properly the pressurised stoves out preformed the newer non pressurised stoves hands down. The problem was that people would over fill the pre heater cups under the burner heads resulting in a large flair up. I used them for years without burning the boat down. Since they are not used much anymore parts are difficult to find and might not be worth the effort. I've used Colman stoves, Fast,Great heat output but some would say storing the bottles is unsafe. If your nervous about that just put them in a canvas bag and hang them on the stern railing outside the cockpit when not in use. Good luck.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/25/2018 : 19:15:56

Don't risk your boat.
Stove below is just $50. Use the space for pots and pans storage.

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Response Posted - 05/25/2018 : 20:38:56

Ok...thanks. I�m not worried about propane, I used to sell specialty gasses to Sandia Labs, I understand.

I�m not worried about the little propane bottles either..

Did you know you can refill them? About 25c a bottle.

I just like the retro part of the stove. I�ll put it on my workbench and rebuild it.

Thanks..
Erik

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Response Posted - 05/26/2018 : 06:46:26

Don't risk your boat is misleading. Butane or propane are both heavier than air and are compressed canisters. Any fuels are potentially dangerous and are only as safe as you make them including the gasoline bomb we carry.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/26/2018 : 08:48:09

The only permanent fix I know of for the original stove is to tie a rope to it, toss it overboard and use it as an anchor.

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Response Posted - 05/26/2018 : 18:57:18

A few years ago I came aboard Passage and went down below. I smelled gas fumes. I freaked out!
I knew I had a butane canister in a storage locker inside the bilge. I could not imagine why I was smelling gas.
I did not turn on any lights or power. I went in and grabbed the canister and noticed there was rust along the bottom seam.
That was the last time I had a butane can aboard in storage. I have one in the stove and use it regularly. When it�s out of gas I�ll get another one from home.
Too dangerous otherwise. My backup is a Coleman fuel stove.

Bruce Ross
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Response Posted - 05/26/2018 : 19:31:44

We keep 1lb propane tanks in the small locker at the aft end of the cockpit on the starboard side, which seems ideally suited for this purpose.

My wife said she smelled gas last time I slept below decks. I plan to be more careful in the future.

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Response Posted - 05/27/2018 : 06:46:41

quote:
Originally posted by SKS

The only permanent fix I know of for the original stove is to tie a rope to it, toss it overboard and use it as an anchor.

Probably the best thing. I�ll document how good the stove works being an anchor and compare to my other anchors.

Erik

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Response Posted - 05/27/2018 : 14:18:00

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Originally posted by islander

Don't risk your boat is misleading. Butane or propane are both heavier than air and are compressed canisters. Any fuels are potentially dangerous and are only as safe as you make them including the gasoline bomb we carry.

The "risk" I was referring to was the original alcohol, pressurized stove included in C-25's.
The term "curtain burner" was IMO well deserved and they should be replaced.

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Response Posted - 05/27/2018 : 15:52:13

Safety is a two part equation - the device and the person using it. Many people don't read or follow recommendations in an owners manual. Carelessness in operating a new stereo has no serious consequences, but there can be dire consequences with a stove.

I saw a boat burn to the waterline because the owner refilled the alcohol stove with fuel before it had cooled. The fuel ignited, he panicked and dropped the gallon can, which turned the gally into an inferno. He jumped overboard. His daughter was in the vberth, and too big to climb out the forward hatch, so she had to run through the flames to escape.

I don't think the Princess stoves are inherently dangerous, but they're brutally unforgiving of mistakes and carelessness.

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Response Posted - 05/27/2018 : 17:30:33

I don't think the Princess stoves are inherently dangerous, but they're brutally unforgiving of mistakes and carelessness.
I agree, Can't blame a stove for owner's misuse nor for the extremely poor placement by Catalina directly under curtains. My boat has a warning sticker by the curtains about operating the stove with the curtains in place. First time I saw that I thought,Really? What were they thinking?...

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Edited by - islander on 05/27/2018 17:38:06

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Response Posted - 05/28/2018 : 04:47:31

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Originally posted by Steve Milby

Safety is a two part equation - the device and the person using it. Many people don't read or follow recommendations in an owners manual. Carelessness in operating a new stereo has no serious consequences, but there can be dire consequences with a stove.

I saw a boat burn to the waterline because the owner refilled the alcohol stove with fuel before it had cooled. The fuel ignited, he panicked and dropped the gallon can, which turned the gally into an inferno. He jumped overboard. His daughter was in the vberth, and too big to climb out the forward hatch, so she had to run through the flames to escape.

I don't think the Princess stoves are inherently dangerous, but they're brutally unforgiving of mistakes and carelessness.

I don't mean to start a flame war here.
I agree with you, that most people don't take the time to read owners manuals and learn the proper techniques to use things.
Nevertheless, if the design of something is "brutally unforgiving of mistakes and carelessness" and peoples lives can be put at risk, then the device is unsafe. Especially in regards to commercially available appliances.
Would you buy a coffee maker if it blew up in your face if you didn't add the right amount of coffee ?
Just my thoughts. As I said, I don't want a flame war, but I get paid to design things safely, so I take it very seriously.

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Response Posted - 05/28/2018 : 09:40:57

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Cornelison

I just like the retro part of the stove. I�ll put it on my workbench and rebuild it.

Thanks..
Erik

I doubt mine is in any better shape, especially the seals, but I think I still have it in the garage if you need anything.

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Response Posted - 05/28/2018 : 13:15:21

Having heard the stories, I put a non-pressurized Origo into Passage when we bought her, and have a butane stove like the one pictured above (with a pot holder) for my current boat. The Origo is not the best cooker, but just about as safe as they come. (There's something stupid you can do with anything that makes fire.) The butane stove cooks like propane or gas at home, although I've heard they can falter in cold weather. If I had one on a C-25, I'd keep the canisters in the starboard-aft locker, which is sealed from the cabin and bilge. They pop out easily when the stove is not in use.

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/28/2018 : 18:49:28

I use a little Kenyon and a rail mount Magma, but I cook in the cockpit and store the fuel for both out there. I stand in the companionway with the Kenyon on the cockpit seat when I use it, which is usually only for bacon (I pre cook it at home) and eggs and/or coffee water.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
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Response Posted - 05/30/2018 : 08:24:10

I just bought the little Coleman single burner stove (butane gas) from Walmart. I saw the same stove for sale under different names and different prices at various stores. $18.99 & 2.97 for a bottle.

Erik

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Response Posted - 05/30/2018 : 16:22:48

Well cancel the tiny Coleman stove. It�s a real cheap stove. I returned it and would not recommend it.

Erik Cornelison
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Response Posted - 05/30/2018 : 16:57:17

I've seen those type stove's for as little as 12.99. That's retail. You have to figure that they make them for $4 if that. You have to also wonder about the quality of the parts, You know like the valve and seals.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/31/2018 : 04:50:47

Hello All,

I have the one from WM. I don't remember the name but it looks just like the Burton stove pictured above Though it is all stainless steel. Cost $36 bucks and money well spent. I've had it about a year now and no problems at all with it. I would buy it again if needed.

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Response Posted - 05/31/2018 : 13:11:50

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Originally posted by islander

I've seen those type stove's for as little as 12.99. That's retail. You have to figure that they make them for $4 if that. You have to also wonder about the quality of the parts, You know like the valve and seals.

I don't understand the sour grapes of the post above. The Max Burton stove that I pictured above has been around for quite a while, used in many TV cooking shows and has been on my boat for 4 years. The only issue I have it is very hot even turned all the way down, could use a heat reducer for just heating up precooked food.
I suppose if you buy a $12 version you get what you pay for. Mine cost closer to $40 with a case for storage.
I don't have a picture but after removing the "curtain burner" the stove, a few pots and pans and a canister or two fit under the cutting board. I fashioned a false drawer front to keep them in place while under way.

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Response Posted - 05/31/2018 : 15:44:01

John, I guess you misread my posts intensions. I was trying to give a warning that there are many cheap knock offs on the market and as you say You get what you pay for and although they look similar the quality might not be. Sorry for the confusion.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/31/2018 : 17:34:44

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John, I guess you misread my posts intensions. I was trying to give a warning that there are many cheap knock offs on the market and as you say You get what you pay for and although they look similar the quality might not be. Sorry for the confusion.

You can say that for any product. Buy quality.
However...
The discussion is/was about design and the original stove, pressurized alcohol, was not IMO a good design for below decks even with our pop top.
And I recommend it be replaced instead of refurbished.

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Response Posted - 06/01/2018 : 05:53:45

As I mentioned above, I have a Max Burton stove like John G�s and it�s fine for a large frying pan or boiling pasta in a pot. But my real go to is my single burner Coleman Duel Fuel stove. Anybody who�s gone camping is familiar with the green two burner stove. These are so simple and we�re so well-built that there are still duel fuel Coleman stoves around from the 60s. Here�s a thread on them [url=�https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/diff-in-coleman-dual-fuel-stoves.83714/�]here[/url].
My single burner stove from the 90s works just as well now as it did back then. Starts quickly, heats well, can handle small pots like a 6 cup coffee pot, is adjustable from 0 to 100% and never flares up. I had a slight leak in the valve but once I replaced the O ring was back in business. I can store a small bottle of white gas in the fuel locker with enough gas to last several weeks.
Not cheap at $60-75 depending on where you shop, but it�s so worth it!
[url=�https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00069QI8I/ref=asc_df_B00069QI8I5495392/�]look here[/url]

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Response Posted - 06/01/2018 : 06:01:19

Ummm why did my [URL] escape sequence go wrong?

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