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slim
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Initially Posted - 12/19/2015 : 07:31:14

Hi

I am new to the forum and this is my first post so please bear with me if i pradel on. I bought a 1978 C25 standard rig and am in the process of refitting it as it has been ignored for some time. The boat is fresh water and been on a trailer for years. My question is this: The boat came with a 15hp 4 stroke mercury outboard (115lb) that is fairly new and i would like to use but the bracket for it was old and i need to replace it with a new one. Does anyone have a suggestion on what would be the best bracket to use now? All of the forum posts are outdated on this subject that i can find as new equipment is available. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

1978 - C25 - standard rig - Fixed keel #1040

Davy J
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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 08:12:47

Here is a link to Catalina Direct. They sell the Garhauer motor mounts. Do not be shocked at the price, these are the best. Most people choose the four spring version for heavier motors.

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/category/84/motor-mounts.cfm

Davy J

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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 08:27:10

Another possible option is described in the technical tips/C25 area of this site: http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/tech/tech25/cokie.asp

I haven't tried it, but it looks like it could be a budget-friendly solution if the mount you have now is solid.

Good luck.

Solomon Smith
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Petoskey, Michigan

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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 08:43:24

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Originally posted by Davy J

Here is a link to Catalina Direct. They sell the Garhauer motor mounts. Do not be shocked at the price, these are the best. Most people choose the four spring version for heavier motors.

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/category/84/motor-mounts.cfm

Thanks I am considering that bracket but ouch!! the price. Also i am later today getting ready to raise my mast with your A frame system that i copied off of the internet. Wish me luck.

Slim

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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 11:10:34

Welcome, Slim! Unless your '78 has one of the small aluminum brackets (with two pairs of bars between the boat and the mounting board) that Catalina put on some early boats, it probably has the tubular stainless one from Garhauer. The former is definitely not right for your engine--the latter is adequate, but the upgraded version from CD has several engineering improvements, including the option of more springs. (You'll want all four.) A benefit is it should use the same bolt holes--no filling and drilling required. It also has just about the most vertical travel, and doesn't end up pressed against the transom when fully raised--some others do. You can find something cheaper, but you'll likely regret it one day.

For future questions and comments, it can be beneficial to set up a "Signature" in your Profile, so at a minimum your year, keel (SK?), and rig (SR) automatically appear below each of your postings. You'll see that with most participants here--like Solomon above, and me.

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 12/19/2015 11:12:55

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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 11:28:54

I agree with Dave 100%. Your right that it is a little pricey but I don't regret it now. With the 4 springs it is real easy to get out of the water. I have the Merc 4 stroke so need the springs.

Wesley Allen
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Hemlock, MI

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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 12:57:35

The Garhauer is probably your best option if the bolt holes will match up, but if you end up having to drill new holes as I did, the Garelick 71090 has worked very well on our boat for the past eight years or so. It's only a bit cheaper than the Garhauer.

David
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Response Posted - 12/19/2015 : 19:26:01

Thanks so much for all the suggestions and help with this subject. This is just the reason that i went with the catalina 25 because of all the support and availability of information. It is worth more than can be imagined when you are working on the old girl. If anyone is interested i was successful raising my mast today by myself with the A frame design i found on this forum. Could not have done it otherwise.

Slim

1978 - C25 - standard rig - Fixed keel #1040

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Response Posted - 12/20/2015 : 07:16:16

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If anyone is interested i was successful raising my mast today by myself with the A frame design I found on this forum.

Congratulations, I think that you'll find having an a-frame on hand will be well worth the time it took to make one.

Davy J

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PO 1987 C25 #5509 SR/SK
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Response Posted - 03/05/2016 : 17:40:18

Well, just got my new 4 spring mount. Sadly, contradicting what I was told by CD and many posts, the holes DO NOT line up. Spacing top to bottom is the same but the distance is not the same port to stbd.
I have backer boards in and out. If I just get new ones, drill them and then use 5200, can I just drill through them and the hull.
They are about 1/2 diameter off.
Jay

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Originally posted by Stinkpotter

Welcome, Slim! Unless your '78 has one of the small aluminum brackets (with two pairs of bars between the boat and the mounting board) that Catalina put on some early boats, it probably has the tubular stainless one from Garhauer. The former is definitely not right for your engine--the latter is adequate, but the upgraded version from CD has several engineering improvements, including the option of more springs. (You'll want all four.) A benefit is it should use the same bolt holes--no filling and drilling required. It also has just about the most vertical travel, and doesn't end up pressed against the transom when fully raised--some others do. You can find something cheaper, but you'll likely regret it one day.

For future questions and comments, it can be beneficial to set up a "Signature" in your Profile, so at a minimum your year, keel (SK?), and rig (SR) automatically appear below each of your postings. You'll see that with most participants here--like Solomon above, and me.

Jay
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Response Posted - 03/05/2016 : 18:28:27

Since the spacing top to bottom is the same, I'd use the same holes on one side, and fill the old holes on the other side with Marinetex. Then drill out the new holes on the other side. Then I'd caulk the holes and install the new motor mount. I don't think it's necessary to install new backing. My thinking is to do it the simplest, least labor-intensive way, and then go sailing. Installing it that way will probably last for many years.

By using the original holes on one side, they will prevent the mount from moving either up and down or from side to side. On the other side, the greatest load will be up and down, and the new holes will restrict any up or down movement.

Alternatively, if you have access to a drill press, you could drill new holes on one side of the motor mount. I think either way would be functional.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Response Posted - 03/05/2016 : 19:37:07

Jay

I also did not find my old motor mount holes to match the CD 4 spring motor bracket. I opted to install new backer boards both inside and out. I used Daily Chef Poly Commercial Cutting Board, 15" x 20" x �� available at Sams club and other retailers. I only have one photo of the installed unit but will see if i can get another in a day or two. I am very pleased with my final results and i hope you will be with yours as well.

1978 - C25 - standard rig - Fixed keel #1040

Edited by - slim on 03/05/2016 19:38:10

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Response Posted - 03/06/2016 : 05:44:29

Well, glad to see I was not the only one to find the holes don't match.
Here's my plan.
I'll get new backer boards in and out.
Take one of the original and put a CL on it. Mark the CL on the hull.
Line up the new mount and drill the new backer board. Mark a CL on it.
Line up the CLs on the hull and drill new holes.
Take the new backer board off and marine Tex the holes.
After cure, put the backer board back up and redrill.
Put a good amount of 5200 down and put the backerboard up and install the mount.
Hope this will work.
Jay

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Response Posted - 03/06/2016 : 08:20:11

Wow, This is the first time that I can remember that anybody has said that the holes don't line up.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

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Response Posted - 03/06/2016 : 09:18:22

I know. I checked all the posts and asked CD and the word was they line up.
I'm not paying to return it, but I will call tomorrow.
Jay

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Response Posted - 03/06/2016 : 12:39:13

When I replaced the old aluminum motor mount with the CD tubular mount the holes did not line up either. I don't recall it being much of an issue. Filled the old holes and drilled new holes. The backing board covered the old holes so they were no longer visible.

Joe Wergers
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78 C25 FK/SR #381

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Response Posted - 03/07/2016 : 07:52:44

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Originally posted by Sloop Smitten

When I replaced the old aluminum motor mount with the CD tubular mount the holes did not line up either. I don't recall it being much of an issue. Filled the old holes and drilled new holes. The backing board covered the old holes so they were no longer visible.

You're right it is not much of an issue, the important thing is that you have the motor bracket that you want for your motor! Having to fill and redrill seems to be just business as usual for sailboat owners. Best thing to do is get on with it and you�ll be out sailing before you know it.

1978 - C25 - standard rig - Fixed keel #1040

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Response Posted - 03/08/2016 : 21:26:03

I would sk ip the 5200. It won't adhere well to the poly and is not necessary. Four #10 machine screws, washers and nuts to keep the backing plates in position is all you need

Dave B. aboard Pearl
1982 TR/SK/Trad. #3399
Lake Erie/Florida Panhandle

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