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Steve Milby
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Initially Posted - 12/24/2013 : 18:30:01

I think this photo might have been posted on the forum once before, but the National Association should save a copy of it somewhere, perhaps in the new photo section, or on the racing page.

The 1983 National Regatta, at Saylorville Lake in Des Moines, Iowa, was the first C25 National Regatta after the Association was formed.

This photo was taken at the start of the first race in the 5-race regatta. The RC boat is at the far end of the starting line. The buoy in the left corner of the photo is the marker for the pin end of the line. The power boat is the RC chase boat.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 12/24/2013 : 21:45:54

Great photo at least 8 boats racing.
Can we count how many "Natonals" have had 8 boats or more at the line?

We can only hope Wayzetta attracts that many C-25's in this coming regatta.

Just a note 8 boats equals less than 0.015 of our members.

Edited by - Peregrine on 12/24/2013 21:51:22

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/24/2013 : 22:47:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Peregrine
 Great photo at least 8 boats racing.
Can we count how many "Natonals" have had 8 boats or more at the line?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">If you'll refer to the racing page, you'll see that all our national regattas between 1983 and 2007 fielded 8 or more boats, except in 2002, when a national regatta was not held. The number of participants and the results aren't posted for 2008-2011, although regattas were held in those years. Regattas were not held in 2012-2013, while you were Vice Commodore.

In some years, there were large turnouts, such as 1985 (29 boats), 2004 (26 boats) and 2011 (29 boats).

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">We can only hope Wayzetta attracts that many C-25's in this coming regatta.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Hope doesn't usually achieve much. Hard work and initiative is more likely to bear fruit.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Just a note 8 boats equals less than 0.015 of our members.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What's your point? Do you think it isn't worth your effort to organize and present the event? Since the inception of the national regatta, the policy of the association has been for the event to be supported entirely by entrance fees and local donations, so that there is no significant cost to the national association. I expect a similar percentage would be applicable to the number of J24 owners attending their national regatta. Your apparent negativity toward the national regatta might account for your inability to present one for 2012-2013. If you didn't want to do the job of the Vice Commodore, you shouldn't have sought the office.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 12/25/2013 : 04:48:12

Great photo Steve.

About the number of the participants. I think that 29 is great number. When you count all the issues with moving such big boat over great distances from all over different US countries.
This is definetely a success.

I wish I could join.

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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 09:08:16

Wow, great pic, Steve. It causes me to reminesce (sp?) about the National Regatta I participated in at Edgewater Yacht Club in Cleveland, I think it was 2006. That is still one of my best sailing memories.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 09:53:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ben
 Wow, great pic, Steve. It causes me to reminesce (sp?) about the National Regatta I participated in at Edgewater Yacht Club in Cleveland, I think it was 2006. That is still one of my best sailing memories.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That was a really good one, held in conjunction with Cleveland Race Week! Good parties, really good rum drinks furnished by Bacardi, a good band and dancing - what more could anyone ask for!

The Wayzata regatta should be good, too. I expect they'll provide help to launch and rig the boats that are trailered there, which is usually done at our national regattas. There are also usually people available who are willing to crew for the visiting boats. I only brought my own crew the first time I raced in one. People who live in the general area, and who have a trailer, should try to make it. Folks who don't have a trailer might consider making themselves available to crew for a visiting boat.

I think most people who have attended one consider it, as you said, "among their best sailing memories."

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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 10:50:04

Great picture, but I question the date...my 84 had a hull number of 4081 and the boat at the far left side of the picture has what appears to be hull number 5049. Am I looking at it wrong?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 11:27:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Great picture, but I question the date...my 84 had a hull number of 4081 and the boat at the far left side of the picture has what appears to be hull number 5049. Am I looking at it wrong?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Well I'll be da***d! I never noticed that. I have no idea why that sail is carrying that number. My boat was #2554, and is the fifth boat from the left side of the picture.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 12/26/2013 20:48:20

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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 13:07:58

No skipper ever borrowed a newer sail to race with... right!

Paul

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 13:28:29

Paul's on to something..."Back to the Future" was set in 1985... a boat with a sail from the future...skipper Marty McFly

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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 14:31:58

I looked up the hullnumber in the boat search feature.

It's an 85, but not listed.

Dodododo!

Paul

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 15:56:44

Are there any records from the race to see who was entered and the sail #'s they carried?

Chuck

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 17:53:26

For as long as I can remember, I have believed that was taken at the 1983 National Regatta. I scanned the picture from a photo and I put the lettering on it when I scanned it. But I can't think of any logical reason why that boat would carry that number in 1983. I'm beginning to believe that I was mistaken in attributing it to 1983. I now suspect it was taken at the 1985 National Regatta in Brookville, Indiana. I raced in the 1983, 1984 and 1985 Regattas, and it had to be one of those 3. The 1985 regatta would be logical. I have videos of all three regattas, and can look for that boat number in each of them, but it will take me awhile. Nevertheless, whether it's 1983 or 1985, I'd like to see the Association preserve it.

I'd also like to see the Association have access to the videos, but haven't figured out how to do it for a moderate cost. They are recorded on VHS tapes, and should be transferred to DVD, if anyone has any suggestions.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 17:57:09

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cshaw
 Are there any records from the race to see who was entered and the sail #'s they carried?

Chuck
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The online records for 1983-1985 don't list the boats by hull number.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/26/2013 : 18:57:15

Dang Steve, didn't mean to cause you work, it's a great shot no matter the date.

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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 09:21:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Dang Steve, didn't mean to cause you work, it's a great shot no matter the date.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...except for the "3".

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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 10:16:57

I notice that there are no sail numbers on the genoas. Was that not permitted by class rules in those days? It does make things a bit difficult for the RC.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 10:45:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Dang Steve, didn't mean to cause you work, it's a great shot no matter the date.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It's no trouble at all. It'll give me a mystery to solve.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 11:13:08

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 I notice that there are no sail numbers on the genoas. Was that not permitted by class rules in those days? It does make things a bit difficult for the RC.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I didn't see many boats with numbers on the genoas back then, but I don't think it was prohibited. I'd say having numbers on the jib is commonly seen currently on the Chesapeake Bay, and probably in other big racing venues, but, as far as I know, it isn't mandated. I have worked RC with some of the best PROs on the Bay, and they have expressed their appreciation for numbers on the jib, but I have never seen them call a violation on a boat that didn't have them. It's really only important when there might be several boats finishing close together. On small lakes, where only 2-3 boats might be finishing together, and where the RC is familiar with all the race boats and can identify them on sight, it isn't so important. My guess is that, on most smaller lakes, nobody even thinks about it, while, in bigger venues, they encourage it.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 12/27/2013 11:14:38

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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 12:20:14

Sailing with my Genoa and Mainsail can get confusing......

Edited by - ftworthsailor on 12/27/2013 12:20:53

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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 13:13:27

Steve, many older digital camcorders will accept an analog input and provide a digital output or re-record as digital on 8mm tape. Creating the DVD is pretty straight forward once the video is in digital format. I'm pretty sure that I have one that does, but I don't have a VHS deck. I couldn't get to it until next Spring anyway. Are you back in Dayton? I could dig out the camcorder and leave it with you if it does digitize if you wanted to work on it over the winter. Otherwise, I could get the tape from you, find a deck, and do it next year.

Now that I think about it, that might be the better approach if you haven't worked with digital conversion and video editing. Processes like that don't always go smoothly.

Edited by - Dave5041 on 12/27/2013 13:21:03

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Response Posted - 12/27/2013 : 17:32:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 I notice that there are no sail numbers on the genoas. Was that not permitted by class rules in those days? It does make things a bit difficult for the RC.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> My guess is that, on most smaller lakes, nobody even thinks about it, while, in bigger venues, they encourage it.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Steve, I agree with your observation. In California, the Southern California Yachting Association not only required sail numbers on all headsails over 130%, but all sail numbers had to be the 5 digit SCYA sail numbers they issued. There were simply too many boats with duplicate sail numbers was the reason they stated... Thats why many of the older pics of Confetti had 57380 for a sail # instead of a 1. Later I was granted permission to add back the 1 on the main, but had to not place it near the SCYA number.

On Galveston Bay, even though there would occasionally be 200 boats entered in the Spring, Summer and Fall series races (each series would be 5 races), they allowed everyone to carry their hull number, a USYRU number, or an SCYA number as their sail number, but they too required you to have headsails over 130 to carry the number. When I built a new main around 1983 I only applied the 1 to it...

Chuck

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Response Posted - 12/28/2013 : 18:42:27

One note before anyone reads this post.
I have been a member of the association since 1997 and the bylaw I am going to cite was in place before I became a member. Any inference that the current officers changed the Nationals bylaws is a serious misinterpretation.


Steve Milby wrote;
"Do you think it isn't worth your effort to organize and present the event?"

As an elected officers it is not our purview to “organize and present" the Nationals. The association Does NOT host the National Regatta.
Our function is to sanction legitimate bids of Fleets first then individuals to host a regatta that will be considered “The Nationals”


VII. NATIONALS:
The National Championship Regatta is an annual event hosted by a Fleet and that is sanctioned and sponsored by the Association. It is not an Association event and, therefore, is not guaranteed to occur every year.

This year that privilege has been awarded to the Wayzata Yacht Club.
We are working with them to make this a well-attended and successful regatta.

Edited by - Peregrine on 12/29/2013 12:58:46

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