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What size winch on your C25 mast?

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OJ
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Initially Posted - 11/05/2013 : 17:17:53

For those of you who have a winch on your C25 mast - what size is it? The C25 parts catalog doesn't specify a size.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/05/2013 : 17:43:29

I will look for the winch tomorrow if nobody responds before then. I know I still have it, it's just a matter of where.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 09:07:33

On my 1984 the mast winch was a Lewmar #7. Cockpit primary winches were Lewmar #16ST.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 10:14:01

If you are serious about getting the luff as tight as you like you might look for the smallest two speed, mast bases are always available.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 18:53:49

A 2 speed winch won't help you get the luff any tighter. It will help you get the sail up faster (if you can't just do it by hand, which you should be able to on a Catalina 25). The low gear on a 2sp winch is the same as the gear on a 1sp winch.

As an example compare the Lewmar 16 2sp with the Lewmar 16 1sp:
http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8152&lid=25367 (2sp)
http://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8150&lid=25360 (1sp)

Look at the "power ratio", that is the important number.

My Pearson has 2sp winches for the halyards and jib sheets. I like the feature a lot for jib sheets, but don't find it necessary on the halyard winches.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 19:26:09

Since we only raise the foresail (because it is on a furler) once a season, there's not much point in running the halyard back to the cockpit. I think it makes more sense to place a winch and cleat on the mast. I'm hoping a #6 would fit on my tall rig mast without the need for a winch pad. We have a pair of #6 winches on the deck that can make the luff pretty darn tight.

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 19:27:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 If you are serious about getting the luff as tight as you like you might look for the smallest two speed, mast bases are always available.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What is a mast base?

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Response Posted - 11/06/2013 : 19:45:23

I didn't get to it today, but I'll dig it out tomorrow. I know it is smaller than my stock sheet winches and, from the bolt circle on the mast, the largest that fits a TR mast directly. It could easily be for sale.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 04:27:53

I use Lewmar #6 for the halyards. It is mounted on the cabin top. I have managed to bend the fixed gooseneck using too much tension.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 12:24:05

Mast winch bases are usually winch pads made of teak and have one concave face.

edit, I can't find one for sale through a Google search.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 16:28:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 Mast winch bases are usually winch pads made of teak and have one concave face.

edit, I can't find one for sale through a Google search.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Ah yes, a winch pad. There's one in the C25 parts catalog.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 16:34:24

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 I didn't get to it today, but I'll dig it out tomorrow. I know it is smaller than my stock sheet winches and, from the bolt circle on the mast, the largest that fits a TR mast directly. It could easily be for sale.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks for the thought Dave.

As you may know, the tall rig mast is not only taller but also a larger diameter (and also a thicker extrusion.) I am hoping that a #6 Lewmar will fit on the side of my mast without the need for a winch pad.

Let me know you if you find the unit that might be for sale. I am watching one on ebay and the auction ends Saturday am.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 17:09:15

I know where the original mast winch pad is from my Catalina 25 TR. I'll see if it is for sale.

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Response Posted - 11/07/2013 : 20:10:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 I know where the original mast winch pad is from my Catalina 25 TR. I'll see if it is for sale.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Thanks Alex

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Response Posted - 11/17/2013 : 10:35:53

Update: went through my various boat stuff containers in the garage and didn't produce the winch. It must be stored aboard. I will find it this week and post it on the Swapmeet. Just saw a new #6 listed for $172, so I'll need to determine condition and value. I only know with certainty that it spins and ratchets smoothly and was removed before I got Pearl.

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Response Posted - 11/17/2013 : 16:16:48

There was a like new Lewmar #6 that recently sold on ebay for $55. It would be mine except the instant bid feature I used at the 8 second mark didn't work.

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Response Posted - 11/22/2013 : 12:39:28

What makes you think you need one? Just asking, since I sailed our C25 for 12 years without one.

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Response Posted - 11/22/2013 : 19:46:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stu Jackson C34
 What makes you think you need one? Just asking, since I sailed our C25 for 12 years without one.
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I realized that since the foresail is mounted on a furler, I've only raised it 3 times in the last 3 seasons. I only have 4 lines coming back to the cockpit (and I don't want more) and I'd like to substitute the foresail halyard for a new spinnaker halyard. A winch on the mast would allow me to raise and tension the 135 foresail, and swap to a smaller foresail on the occasional gusty day.

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Response Posted - 11/23/2013 : 10:29:39

OJ, I understand. Just for some background, we had our 1981 C25 for 12+ years, hanked on jibs. We did have a Marelon one speed winch on the cabintop for the jib halyard which was led aft. However, on our C34 we have a furler and I agree, once up it's pretty good. I didn't lead the jib halyard aft. Instead, I cleat the halyard on the mast and use a small line at the tack through the sail's tack and the D shackle on the drum of the furler to tension the luff. I run the line through a few times and just yank on it to tension the luff, then release it before I furl the jib at the end of the day. You might want to try this before you invest in and install a winch. Good luck, either way.

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Response Posted - 11/23/2013 : 10:33:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stu Jackson C34
 OJ, I understand. Just for some background, we had our 1981 C25 for 12+ years, hanked on jibs. We did have a Marelon one speed winch on the cabintop for the jib halyard which was led aft. However, on our C34 we have a furler and I agree, once up it's pretty good. I didn't lead the jib halyard aft. Instead, I cleat the halyard on the mast and use a small line at the tack through the sail's tack and the D shackle on the drum of the furler to tension the luff. I run the line through a few times and just yank on it to tension the luff, then release it before I furl the jib at the end of the day. You might want to try this before you invest in and install a winch. Good luck, either way.
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I will have to digest this and give it serious consideration . . . thanks.

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Response Posted - 11/26/2013 : 10:08:00

I'd call what Stu is describing a jib cunningham. They are common on dinghies.

The mast winch on my Catalina 25 was a Lewmar #7. Two friends with much heavier boats (with accordingly larger sails) have #8 winches as their mast winches, so a #6 should be more than enough for a Catalina 25.

For the same reason as you I'm moving my jib and spinnaker halyards to the mast on my Pearson 28 and I'll likely be using an Andersen #10 winch as the mast winch. I just got the winch mounting pad and clutches, but was going to shop around for a used winch to save a little money.

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Response Posted - 11/26/2013 : 11:26:00

Thanks for sharing Alex.

What style and brand winch pad did you purchase?

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Response Posted - 11/26/2013 : 16:50:15

I bought the Isomat winch pad that is made for my mast. It was incredibly expensive from Rig-Rite (they are very proud of anything branded Isomat since Isomat is no longer in business). Isomat made the spars on my Pearson.

It is an aluminum winch pad that mounts with 8 stainless rivets.

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Response Posted - 11/28/2013 : 16:35:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 I bought the Isomat winch pad that is made for my mast. It was incredibly expensive from Rig-Rite (they are very proud of anything branded Isomat since Isomat is no longer in business). Isomat made the spars on my Pearson.

It is an aluminum winch pad that mounts with 8 stainless rivets.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Rig Rite is first rate . . .

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