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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:40:45

Salute Island Time, you were a fine vessel.

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:58:41

Salute,

That genoa looks huge compared to my 135!!

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/06/2012 : 13:08:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 Salute,

That genoa looks huge compared to my 135!!
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It may be for sale....it was converted to hank on. I might even think about delivering it to Tampa, but only if a test sail is included

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Response Posted - 12/06/2012 : 18:55:41

I'd be interested in the main if it's available and not blown out. How old is it? Looks like a loose foot?

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/06/2012 : 19:09:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 I'd be interested in the main if it's available and not blown out. How old is it? Looks like a loose foot?
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Gary, the main is about two years old.. It is loose footed and oversize, not class legal. Send me a note at tcurran32766 at gmail dot com. I should have everything figured out by next week. If I take the offer I won't rebuild, if I sell the boat"as is" I have another main.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 12/07/2012 : 09:42:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Davy J
 Salute,

That genoa looks huge compared to my 135!!
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It may be for sale....it was converted to hank on. I might even think about delivering it to Tampa, but only if a test sail is included

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Tom,

I'm guessing you will be starting a 'parting out' thread in the future then? If so I have a few bits I wouldn't mind looking into with you - rudder, sheetleads, etc.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/07/2012 : 13:38:15

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Tom,

I'm guessing you will be starting a 'parting out' thread in the future then? If so I have a few bits I wouldn't mind looking into with you - rudder, sheetleads, etc.

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Send me an wish list email at tcurran32766 at gmail dot com. Not sure the rudder is worth much, especially if you add shipping.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/07/2012 : 14:00:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DaveR
 Salute Island Time, you were a fine vessel.

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Thanks Dave... it does look like the end, I accepted the insurance company's offer.

Will start thread on the swap meet once I get the check. Still thinking of selling the boat "as is"...but I will still have a few items to sell either way. If I sell "as is" I have an old set of sails to go with it, so there are a couple of fairly new sails to sell.

Again, thanks to everyone for your ideas and suggestions.

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Response Posted - 12/07/2012 : 14:25:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 
Send me an wish list email at tcurran32766 at gmail dot com. Not sure the rudder is worth much, especially if you add shipping.
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Thanks - will do.

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 12/07/2012 : 16:58:49

MANY great times racing Tom, thanks for that. And we went out with a bang didn't we, kicked some major butt in Nov. Hopefully you'll twist that Capri owners arm or we'll give the Watkins hell!

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 12/10/2012 : 07:52:30

Good luck, Tom!

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Frank Law
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Response Posted - 12/10/2012 : 11:12:05

Tom Losing your boat like that is horrible end to a good boat . Good luck with the disposition or parting out ... Could you sell it as a NON sailboat , for fishing or weekender if the hull is intact ??

Frank Law
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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/13/2012 : 04:02:20

Got a great call yesterday, the HOA is cutting a check to make up the difference between what their insurance offered and what I felt was the boat was worth based on the NADA value. Still no checks in hand, but should have they both by weeks end.

Frank - the hull is intact with no structural damage, just some minor gelcoat damage.

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pfduffy
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Response Posted - 12/13/2012 : 07:19:22

Nice to hear that the HOA is doing the right thing.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 12/13/2012 : 22:36:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Got a great call yesterday, the HOA is cutting a check to make up the difference between what their insurance offered and what I felt was the boat was worth based on the NADA value. Still no checks in hand, but should have they both by weeks end.

Frank - the hull is intact with no structural damage, just some minor gelcoat damage.
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They are lucky. If they were dealing with me, I would've cleaned clock. They are already on the run... Geez, make em pay... And I still say you can make a buck off of the boat too.

Sten

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Response Posted - 12/13/2012 : 22:52:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Got a great call yesterday, the HOA is cutting a check to make up the difference between what their insurance offered and what I felt was the boat was worth based on the NADA value. Still no checks in hand, but should have they both by weeks end.

Frank - the hull is intact with no structural damage, just some minor gelcoat damage.
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They are lucky. If they were dealing with me, I would've cleaned clock. They are already on the run... Geez, make em pay... And I still say you can make a buck off of the boat too.

Sten
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I have a fundamental problem with this concept that someone should go for more once they're "on the run." Have a little empathy, man. God forbid if you should ever make a mistake. This whole concept of inflated payouts is what has made such a total mess out of our tort system. In the end someone always pays for the inflated payouts, and ultimately the cost is passed down to all of us in higher insurance premiums.

I think that if Tom has been made whole he should be happy and get on with it - especially since they came clean quickly without an extended battle with the lawyers taking their cut. Life's too short to pick fights like this. Fortunately, it sounds like that's exactly what he plans to do.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 12/13/2012 : 23:58:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Got a great call yesterday, the HOA is cutting a check to make up the difference between what their insurance offered and what I felt was the boat was worth based on the NADA value. Still no checks in hand, but should have they both by weeks end.

Frank - the hull is intact with no structural damage, just some minor gelcoat damage.
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They are lucky. If they were dealing with me, I would've cleaned clock. They are already on the run... Geez, make em pay... And I still say you can make a buck off of the boat too.

Sten

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redeye
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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 05:05:39

I don't get the "on the run" part from the HOA, but I certainly feel the insurance company should pay you well for the boat and the associated difficulties. I feel the only way to make that happen is to hire a lawyer.

That's what insurance is for... the insurance companies have more than enough to cover it. I've been told here in Georgia they have been in so much trouble for the excessive money they make that they ( homeowners insurance ) will make a payout for roof repair for any signs of damage.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 05:58:17

Here is my thought process...I was not on the boat, so no "pain and suffering" for me, I had a good clean, fully functional when this happened, so all I have a claim on is the boat. If I came out with either, a good clean functional boat or funds equal to what my boat was worth at the time of the accident, then I am good. I felt the insurance folks were shorting me; the HOA folks made up the difference and satisfied one of my two requirements. I also get to keep the boat to repair, sell as is, part out, and consolidate stuff into one 25' sailboat. Could I have gone the lawyer route and got more??? Maybe, but after the time delay, extra work, hassles, headaches, and lawyer fees, how much more could I have gotten and how long would it have taken. Again, I have no claim of stress of the accident; I'm only out a boat. However, if the occupants want to hire a lawyer and go after the HOA, that is on them. They are the two that paid the emotional price for the bridge tender's negligence and as of right now, they have no plans to do so.

So...anyone want to buy a slightly damaged boat?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 06:21:04

I think it turned out Great. That was sweet of the HOA to pitch in some funds.

With a new rig the boat is fine. My rig was damaged twice in the past, before I owned it. Damaged in storms and the sailboat next to it destroyed the mast. So twice my boat got a new mast and rigging, paid for by insurance.

I would have no reservations saying the boat is in great shape.

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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 07:36:29

Yes, I think it is a fair deal. Yes, I think you should take it. Already said so. What bothers me is that the HOA and insurance co. gets off for $6K. Seems reasonable to me that lowering a bridge on a sailboat and endangering life should cost something. Since there are no other penalties associated with this dereliction of duty incident, either by government, by union if applicable, by something... For Budha's sake, is this really just a $6K incident?

I consider what happens to one of us, is happening to all of us. This should be a call for a look at procedures, licensing, training, et al. NTSB it... If nobody speaks, and this gets swept under a rug for essentially nothing, I am disappointed. The pictures speak for themselves. Bridges are a homeland security issue too. If bridge operators can't handle three boats passing thru....

I'm Sten and I've been thru a lot of bridges. I have a permanent phobia about going thru bridges as a result of this horrific incident. I mean, every time I go thru a bridge I worry about the bridge operator, usually called "BridgeMaster," closing the damn bridge on me! I look to port and then to starboard wondering which side is better to jump off from. I scan the banks for exit opportunities. Being 450 miles offshore seems safer to me now than simply going thru a bridge.

While it is easy to look at this as one would look at the fender bender with a little old lady who shouldn't still be driving, that hypothetical incident did not include a freaking bridge, a boat and PEOPLE! A bridge operated by a presumably sober and fit "BridgeMaster", I'm gonna puke.... A restaurant with a few violations pays a bigger penalty.

Sten

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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 07:50:43

I'm sure lawyers love your attitude, Sten. Lord knows somebody has to pay for the Mercedes.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:05:33

Well put Sten! Sounds like you are a good lawyer yourself!

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:15:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Yes, I think it is a fair deal. Yes, I think you should take it. Already said so. What bothers me is that the HOA and insurance co. gets off for $6K. Seems reasonable to me that lowering a bridge on a sailboat and endangering life should cost something. Since there are no other penalties associated with this dereliction of duty incident, either by government, by union if applicable, by something... For Budha's sake, is this really just a $6K incident?

I consider what happens to one of us, is happening to all of us. This should be a call for a look at procedures, licensing, training, et al. NTSB it... If nobody speaks, and this gets swept under a rug for essentially nothing, I am disappointed. The pictures speak for themselves. Bridges are a homeland security issue too. If bridge operators can't handle three boats passing thru....

I'm Sten and I've been thru a lot of bridges. I have a permanent phobia about going thru bridges as a result of this horrific incident. I mean, every time I go thru a bridge I worry about the bridge operator, usually called "BridgeMaster," closing the damn bridge on me! I look to port and then to starboard wondering which side is better to jump off from. I scan the banks for exit opportunities. Being 450 miles offshore seems safer to me now than simply going thru a bridge.

While it is easy to look at this as one would look at the fender bender with a little old lady who shouldn't still be driving, that hypothetical incident did not include a freaking bridge, a boat and PEOPLE! A bridge operated by a presumably sober and fit "BridgeMaster", I'm gonna puke.... A restaurant with a few violations pays a bigger penalty.

Sten
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Why do you assume that there was no accountability? Have you verified that the bridge operator and/or his supervisor were not disciplined by his employer, or possibly terminated? Have you verified that the guy won't have his certification revoked? Have you verified that their insurance premiums will not rise in the future? There may be more accountability in the system than you realize.

It seems to me that you're making a lot of assumptions, unless you have a lot of inside knowledge about past, present, and future (crystal ball?).

I think your suggestion of being safer 450 miles offshore is either irrational or an exaggeration.

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Response Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:24:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TakeFive
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 Yes, I think it is a fair deal. Yes, I think you should take it. Already said so. What bothers me is that the HOA and insurance co. gets off for $6K. Seems reasonable to me that lowering a bridge on a sailboat and endangering life should cost something. Since there are no other penalties associated with this dereliction of duty incident, either by government, by union if applicable, by something... For Budha's sake, is this really just a $6K incident?

I consider what happens to one of us, is happening to all of us. This should be a call for a look at procedures, licensing, training, et al. NTSB it... If nobody speaks, and this gets swept under a rug for essentially nothing, I am disappointed. The pictures speak for themselves. Bridges are a homeland security issue too. If bridge operators can't handle three boats passing thru....

I'm Sten and I've been thru a lot of bridges. I have a permanent phobia about going thru bridges as a result of this horrific incident. I mean, every time I go thru a bridge I worry about the bridge operator, usually called "BridgeMaster," closing the damn bridge on me! I look to port and then to starboard wondering which side is better to jump off from. I scan the banks for exit opportunities. Being 450 miles offshore seems safer to me now than simply going thru a bridge.

While it is easy to look at this as one would look at the fender bender with a little old lady who shouldn't still be driving, that hypothetical incident did not include a freaking bridge, a boat and PEOPLE! A bridge operated by a presumably sober and fit "BridgeMaster", I'm gonna puke.... A restaurant with a few violations pays a bigger penalty.

Sten
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Why do you assume that there was no accountability? Have you verified that the bridge operator and/or his supervisor were not disciplined by his employer, or possibly terminated? Have you verified that the guy won't have his certification revoked? Have you verified that their insurance premiums will not rise in the future? There may be more accountability in the system than you realize.

It seems to me that you're making a lot of assumptions, unless you have a lot of inside knowledge about past, present, and future (crystal ball?).

I think your suggestion of being safer 450 miles offshore is either irrational or an exaggeration.
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Ha! Being offshore is always safer than being close to land. Ask any cruiser. And no, not on a C25. All of the questions you ask are the same ones I am asking for answers to. I don't have the answers, but I think that every question you posed is relevant and validates my position. Hopefully somewhere, someone woke up and looked at this. Carry on.

Sten

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