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wanted: hank-on foresail(s) (C-25 tall)

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awetmore
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Initially Posted - 03/27/2012 : 11:46:05

I'm looking for a smaller jib for my hank-on C-25. I don't want to order a new one because we may switch the boat to roller furling in a year or two.

I'm hoping that someone else who has already upgraded to roller furling may have their old jibs for sale.

Our current foresail is 150% genoa. A 110-120% seems like a good match for heavier air days.

Alex W
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previously owned 1984 Catalina 25 "Lutra"

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 03/27/2012 : 12:13:41

Whew, I don't know if I'd want to be out on the sound with a 150 with a tall rig except in the dead of summer. We've never sailed our TR with anything larger than our 110 and occasionally with our 70. We've been scared on a couple of occasions with just the 110 up. Maybe it's not as bad on Lake Union / Washington.

I've got a 130 you could try out, but I'm not sure if it'll fit your boat or be a large improvement on your 150. I'm not sure of the mast height comparison between a C-25 TR & C-250 TR.

Maybe you could get your 150 cut down?

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 03/27/2012 : 12:25:13

I'm not 100% sure that it is a 150%, but I think it is. I'll measure if someone can tell me the best way to know. I do know that it backwinds the main easily, Ballard Sails thought it was huge (they did some repair work on it), and it comes back behind all of the shrouds. The previous owner couldn't remember if it was a 135 or 150 (he also didn't have tell tales on it). I didn't ask Ballard Sails about shrinking it, I suppose that would be an option.

We had the boat out on Saturday on Lake WA and I found it pretty easy to handle, although we had other trim issues (and a worn out main until our new arrives) that kept us from sailing as close to the wind as I'd like. That was our first day of sailing it, we bought the boat 3 weeks ago today.

The I measurement on the 25 TR is 31', vs 29' on the 250. So I think your 130 would fly pretty high on our boat. Thanks for the offer though.

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Response Posted - 03/27/2012 : 12:45:47

Here's a link to [url="http://www.secondwindsails.com/measurement.php"]measuring your sails[/url]. Scroll to the bottom to see how to measure your jib.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/01/2012 : 14:24:11

I measured today, we have a ~135% genoa (LP is 14'). It looks like it may also be from a C-25 standard, since the luff is 28'. I'm still interested in a 100% (would be nice for today's weather) if anyone has one, but we'll keep using this sail for a while.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/01/2012 : 20:02:17

Since your sail doesn't cover the full distance along the forestay, you can increase visibility by hoisting the sail all the way up and tying a short line, say 15-18" long to the tack and connect the bottom of that line to the bowstem shackle. We call that short line a pigtail and actually have one made out of wire. you can see in my signature pic that it raises the tack up just about as high as the bow pulpit. It's a big help when single handing. We use one on the C-22 also.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2012 : 08:04:02

I also made a jib pendent for mine....made it 24" I think, brings the tack to the top of the pulpit and the head to the top of the mast. It's nice to have it up off the deck so I can see under it and it's not draped over the pulpit. Didn't make a noticeable difference in sailing characteristics to me.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/02/2012 : 08:10:39

Thanks guys, that is a great idea and will make my wife really happy too by getting the sail to be less of a deck sweeper.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 04/02/2012 : 10:36:00

David, can you post (or link to) a bigger version of that picture?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/05/2012 : 17:34:51

Please ignore me in the photo, but this one shows the bottom of the sail better. If I had known a friend was taking pictures, I would have kept a shirt on, or asked the admiral to go topless instead of me LOL:

Here's the sig photo:

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/05/2012 17:38:29

waterbaby
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Response Posted - 04/06/2012 : 06:58:12

Alex,
We have a hank on Jib of unknown size and condition for our TR that we could sell I guess. It came with our boat but the the PO had just upgraded to roller furling and replaced the headsail. I looked at it once a year ago and it seemed to be in decent shape. I was keeping it with the idea that maybe someday I'd need it for 'something' or use it to make some tote bags. If you are still looking for one I'll try to drag it out and figure out how big it is. I'm pretty sure it's smaller than a 150.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/06/2012 : 07:02:23

I'm interested if you don't mind measuring the size. Measuring the luff perpendicular seems like the easiest way to figure out the percentage size.

If you happen to be located in the Seattle area I could come measure and check it out.

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Response Posted - 04/06/2012 : 09:01:27

Alex, I'm not near you, I'm in NC.

I've measured the foot roughly and it's a little over 12'. Looking at the tech manual this should make it a 110 (looks like a 150 is 16' if I understood that right), but maybe someone else can chime in on that. It's in really good shape no tears, pretty crisp and very very little staining. I tried to take some pictures of it but I couldn't really get it layed out right. I've got a lot going on today and this weekend but I'll try to get some pictures for you.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/06/2012 : 09:33:32

I'm interested. Photos aren't that helpful with sails anyway, I'm more interested in the dimensions (that foot length sounds useful, it would be a size smaller than what we have) and overall condition. If the stitching looks good on the luff and leech and we can agree on a price then I'd like to buy it.

You can email me too, alex at phred dot org.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2012 : 21:40:00

waterbaby: I want your sail, we could have used it today.

David and Jim: I tried hoisting the genoa up a couple of feet higher. It works okay, but don't go too high or it forces you to move the jib cars too far back, and then the jib sheet has a lousy lead angle into the winch.

This was too high (the clew 4-6" above the bow railing):

I moved it about halfway down between that point and the regular one and it worked a lot better.

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Response Posted - 04/08/2012 : 19:28:01

Hi Alex,
The foot is 12' 4" the leech is 26'. As I said the sail is in really good condition but there is one small (less than 4") section where the edges of two pieces of dacron are joined and one edge is a little frayed. I think is was just the way the sail was originally built and likely would never be a problem. I have a sewing machine that can handle sails and some UV thread so if you like I can put some reinforcing stitches on that seam just to be safe.

I've attached a picture of it below:

I'd be willing to sell it for $300.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/08/2012 : 19:34:49

Thanks, we want it. I'll send you a private message to figure out the rest.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/10/2012 : 16:56:09

Hi,

I emailed you about the sale of the sail, but didn't get a response. Did you get it? If not you could email me at alex at phred dot org?

If you've changed your mind please let me know, I've found a couple of other options and would like to get one soon.

thanks

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Response Posted - 04/10/2012 : 18:46:18

Sorry Alex,
I replied back to the forum email by accident. I just sent you another email, hopefully you got it this time.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/12/2012 : 14:39:53

FYI, on Ebay now, a 155 genoa for C-25 TR:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120893787131?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
The sail is an Elliott/Patison, who is popular with the Capri 25 racers. Starting bid is $200 but so far no bidders. I'm not connected with the seller in any way.

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/12/2012 14:40:25

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