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JimGo
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Initially Posted - 02/18/2012 : 23:01:05

As I was working on my boat today, I tried to inspect the keel joint to see if I needed to do any work on it, since the boat is already out of the water. I was a bit taken aback when I saw this under the wooden housing in the cabin. Is this normal? Is the keel joint normally glassed over? The fiberglass seemed to be on pretty well, so I was reluctant to play.

- Jim
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NOTE: In my case, PLEASE don't confuse stars/number of posts with actual knowledge. On any topic.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/18/2012 : 23:38:29

OK, so in reading a little more, it does appear that this is the "proper" keel trunk. But how do I inspect the joint? I haven't been able to find that in the searches I've done.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/19/2012 : 10:07:32

That is normal Carefully exam for cracks inside and out and tracks from water penetration inside, but it looks fine from that angle.

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 02/19/2012 : 12:38:27

Jim, as said previously, that's the keel trunk for your swing keel. That trunk is where the top of your keel swings into when you lower the keel. The swing keel attaches to the boat outside of the boat, almost right below that trunk. There is no traditional keel bolts like you would find on a fin or wing keel. The wing keel "hangs" from a pivot pin in the front and your lifting cable in the rear. Take a look at the "keel hanging casting kit" that Catalina Direct sells, is that what your asking about? (and I'm sorry if I am completely off base and misunderstood your question.) You should inspect all of your lifting gear while you have the boat out of the water, and if you are unsure of when it was all last replaced, replace it all...

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/19/2012 : 12:48:35

If you have any leaks at the joint/base of the keel trunk, the bilge to the right, under your metal poles in the picture, will have standing water in it. Another way to check for leaks around the joint/base of the keel trunk is to press a wad of paper towels against the joint. If the paper comes up wet, you likely have a problem that needs attention. Mine looked very similar before I had a crack in the aft vertical section repaired.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 02/19/2012 : 20:56:58

If Tom is right and your are asking about inspecting the pivot, that is external and can be done on the trailer. Many posts should come up in a search.got lowering swing keel.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/19/2012 : 23:04:04

Thanks for the replies. Yesn I was looking for info on how to inspect the pivot. Thanks for all the other pointers and info, though!!!!

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 07:49:01

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 11:40:19

Thanks Don, that is very helpful information. Where did you find that?

I've been looking over the pictures of my keel, and I don't see the joint in them. Should I be able to see it if I crawl around under the boat (it's on stands for the winter)? I hadn't tried that before (in part because I thought the joint/pivot pin could be inspected from the inside)

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 12:21:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 Thanks Don, that is very helpful information. Where did you find that?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

From the [url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/tech/tech25/tt004.asp"]C25 Technical Tips[/url] section on this website. The other pages are from the Catalina Direct Handbook.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 12:38:07

I think I need to get the Handbook!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 12:52:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 I think I need to get the Handbook!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It's about the best $10 you can spend on the boat--even if it's essentially their catalog.

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Frank Law
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Response Posted - 02/20/2012 : 15:27:25

Jimgo-- All the keel pivot pin hardware is external and cannot be seen from the inside.. Looking from under neath at the forward end of the keel , you will see two bolt heads that go through the keel pivot pin hangars . Note two on each side . In order to do any work on the keel pivot area you have to remove the bolt Hangars . To remove the hangars-- Remove one bolt at a time ,then insert a piece of all thread rod with a nut on it .. Screw the all thread rod in tight and lock it with the nut .Repeat the process with the other 3 bolts .. Now you can lower the keel hangars , keel and pivot pin , by backing down one nut at a time . I made a frame work to keep the keel from falling over but allows it to slide down . I also use a jack under the forward end to hold the keel up while I back off all four nuts , then lower the jack to allow the hangars to rest on the nuts .. You probably have to lower the keel about 8-10 inches to get access to the pivot pin .. Note the keel cable supports the aft end of the keel .. Working on the hangars ,pivot pin is not hard .
The last time I did this was last spring when I noticed the keel pivot hole was elongated and allowed the keel to clunk as it was lowered. I had custom made bushing made and inserted it and epoxied it into the keel .

Frank Law
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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/21/2012 : 11:04:14

I am convinced I just ordered it

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 02/21/2012 : 12:20:54

Thanks Frank. I think I get it now!

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