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Phredde
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Initially Posted - 01/31/2012 : 18:54:06

My local marina recently invited/demanded me to come in for a boat measurement. First tale of the tape said 28' including the pulpit and outboard. I told them I would take the outboard off, and got a 26' reading. Still might be longer than the 25' slip, but I don't remember them measuring that. They are doing improvements at the other end of the marina, so am guessing that there may be an issue down the road. So any advice? How long are our boats, officially? Do any of your marina's require something larger than a 25' slip?

Phredde
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 19:05:56

For your own purposes, are you overhanging the slip in a way that makes you vulnerable to other boats maneuvering in and out? Some extra security is sometimes worth a few more bucks. The basic boat is 25' without bracket and outboard. But the bracket and outboard are significant and vulnerable, whether bow-in or stern-in. The fairway width and layout are also factors...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 01/31/2012 19:07:42

Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 19:30:42

My old marina, I had a 10x20 slip. I stuck out the back quite a bit, but so did just about everyone else. There were even a few C30's packed in. There was enough room in the slipway though, and the marina didn't enforce any overhang rules.

My new slip at a new marina is 13x30. The finger docks extend all the way to just past my outboard, so I'm very comfortably in the slip, with my bow 2' from the front. I have no pulpit overhang in this slip.

The slipway is tighter here though, but there are still some boats that overhang the walkway and stick out the back....as with my old marina, they don't enforce any overhang rules.

I've heard that some marina's do enforce the rules though, moving you to a larger slip or charging you an amount for every foot you stick out.

I'm happy to have the extra room in my new slip. I was considering having them add patio space to the front, maybe 6' or so, and I'll have a 6x13 small patio....BUT, they want $25 a square foot to do it! I'll save the $2k and pass...I'm on the list though to move as soon as someone with a patio vacates.

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hewebb
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 05:57:39

There are a couple of boats with the outboard sticking out in the fairway where I was. On one very windy day it was a problem to stay away from them while leaving without increasing my speed for better steerage. I had positioned my boat at the end of the slip and apparently some one had trouble as my rudder and stern are all marred up from someone hitting it, luckily the rudder is not structurally damaged. I would want a slip that was longer than the boat for safety sake for you and others as well.

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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 06:19:01

there a new tendency in Quebec and north of Lake Champlain, you pay your slip either on the length of the boat or the length of the dock finger, depending which one is the longest... it's becoming increasingly hard to find a marina slip for shorter boats like ours, the marinas preferring to rent the slip to a more profitable 40'

Over the last 20 yeas the average boat size has increased a lot (a 33' boat was big back then, now its almost considered small (our are almost recognized as over-bloated dinghies now haha) so a lot of marinas had to rebuilt longer fingers and spread them further apart so it's a bit understandable that they don't want to rent to a 25 footer so either we pay more or we don't have a slip...

there are also some marina owners that measure actual boat lengths because almost lots of boat are a bit longer than it's name implies when including accessories and bow rollers and all so all this extra stuff adds up to more money for them

Edited by - blanik on 02/01/2012 06:28:48

dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 06:37:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hewebb
 There are a couple of boats with the outboard sticking out in the fairway where I was. On one very windy day it was a problem to stay away from them while leaving without increasing my speed for better steerage. I had positioned my boat at the end of the slip and apparently some one had trouble as my rudder and stern are all marred up from someone hitting it, luckily the rudder is not structurally damaged. I would want a slip that was longer than the boat for safety sake for you and others as well.
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Outboards sticking out can be a problem, especially in tight marinas, and I've seen more than a few take a direct hit. For this reason, I wouldn't tilt my outboard up so much as a courtesy to others, but rather I would like to avoid having it ripped from my transom.

In my marina, the space between docks is just a bit over a boatlength which leaves little room for error. Having to dodge tilted outboards makes it that much smaller.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 09:43:57

I could see why the measurement puts an even playing field on those that are in marinas where spaces are tight making maneuvering in the waterway perhaps tougher especially if one boat is coming out as one is going in. However, oftentimes, the reason is to extract more money for slip rentals.

Years ago, my marina and just about all others in the vicinity and also some that I initially checked out on the Chesapeake Bay, based the slip rental on what was longer, the stated boat length or the slip length. Some marinas tend to cater to larger boats and have more longer slips vs shorter ones and so paying for a longer slip is oftentimes the default. But my marina has been running approximately 1a 10% vacancy rate. In order to stop that slide in the number of paying slip renters, they changed their policy to base the rental on boat length alone - The stated boat length. They have never used a measuring tape. I have always been in a floating 32 foot slip but I pay based on 25 feet.

Edited by - OLarryR on 02/01/2012 09:47:19

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 11:24:16

I think our slips are 24' long, so many boats stick out into the slipway. Fortunately, we also have a fairly wide slipway. My stern dock line runs from the dock cleat to the cleat right behind the jib sheet winch and sometimes to the stern cleat on the boat as well (tends to chafe on the genoa track.
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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 12:12:51

My boat sticks out about 6-7 feet beyond the fingers. Now that this thread came up, I'm now thinking that my broken tilt bracket on the outboard could have taken a direct hit, rather than failed due to age as I had first thought.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 13:20:25

I'm in a 27 foot slip but my stern does stick out just a bit, I do however get annoyed with people who's pulpits and anchors obstruct the dock.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 13:23:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 I'm in a 27 foot slip but my stern does stick out just a bit, I do however get annoyed with people who's pulpits and anchors obstruct the dock.
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Yea, that's an annoyance, but luckily it's also in my contract and rules that are enforced.

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 19:20:08

I don't have that problem at my new marina. The docks are really nice and wide. Over at Harbor One though, there were a few boats that blocked of 3/4 of the walkway with their big pulpits and bow hung anchors...big bow sprits sticking out. My only thought is "you inconsiderate bungholio".....

Edited by - Joe Diver on 02/01/2012 19:20:36

OJ
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 19:29:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 . . . Over at Harbor One though, there were a few boats that blocked of 3/4 of the walkway with their big pulpits and bow hung anchors...big bow sprits sticking out . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yepper, a lawsuit just waiting to happen - and it will only take 1.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 19:32:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hewebb
 There are a couple of boats with the outboard sticking out in the fairway where I was. On one very windy day it was a problem to stay away from them while leaving without increasing my speed for better steerage. I had positioned my boat at the end of the slip and apparently some one had trouble as my rudder and stern are all marred up from someone hitting it, luckily the rudder is not structurally damaged. I would want a slip that was longer than the boat for safety sake for you and others as well.
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I wouldn't tilt my outboard up so much as a courtesy to others, but rather I would like to avoid having it ripped from my transom.

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Exactly!

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Phredde
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 07:45:19

Thanks for all of the feedback. I probably should have added that this particular marina is pretty popular, and with the renovations at the other end, I am pretty sure that they probably have issues finding spaces not filling them. The fairways themselves are pretty wide. But, part of the conversation was about how the measuring relates to new requirements based on their insurance coverage. So has anyone ever been forced to move from a slip due to hangover? Sounds like its rarely enforced.

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