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Arlington
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Initially Posted - 01/08/2012 : 21:33:23

How do you get the pump out of the cabinet top? I read the related previous posts but didn't find any tips as to how you actually get the pump out. I took the face off of the drawers below. I can see the Whale Mark IV Pump body and the nut that secures it to the cabinet top. The nut is too tight to remove by hand. I can't get a crescent wrench on it, no room for channel locks, I got special wrench at the hardware store, that fits, 1", 1 1/2" and 2" nuts, but it looks like the the nut is 1 3/4". I found a strap wrench but still can't get the super tight nuts off. If I had a an 1/3/4" deep well socket,it might work, but no such socket on hand. Otherwise, there isn't enough maneuvering room between the sink and galley walls...

I tried the head faucet too. It feels like the 5200 or lock tite was put on the threads before they put the nuts on. I got the nut almost all the way off for the head faucet. I thought about cutting the faucets off, but at $100 each this sounds like a bad idea. It looks like the sinks are bedded with 5200 as well. There has got to be a better way. HELP!

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Response Posted - 01/08/2012 : 21:58:34

See--I've often said even builders mis-use the #^%$ stuff! I got my faucet out, and recall lots of "words" being said... Sorry--I don't remember how.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 06:10:47

I think you can take the tube off and then be able to turn the whole faucet around from above, rather than working with the lock ring below. Once it's loose, you can go from there.
I wouldn't be too worried about preserving those things. They don't sell for much used here, and you don't need them when you....CONVERT TO A PRESSURE SYSTEM!!! ;)

You'll deifinitely love having the convenience of washing dishes and both your hands at the same time.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v214/SharkRacer/Catalina/?action=view&current=VID_20110326_185537.mp4

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 08:37:51

"If" I ever do something with my fresh water system, I'll go to Camping World and get a pump and expansion chamber to pressurize the system.....so removing the whale pump will be rather simple and quick.

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 09:14:34

When I removed mine to repair the counter top, I removed the sink to get better access. That allowed room to use a wrench on the horizontal plane. It still wasn't an easy job. The threads were very tight for the whole length of the pump body. I replaced with a pressure system,...much nicer.

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 09:17:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arlington
 I can't get a crescent wrench on it, no room for channel locks, I got special wrench at the hardware store, that fits, 1", 1 1/2" and 2" nuts, but it looks like the the nut is 1 3/4". I found a strap wrench but still can't get the super tight nuts off. If I had a an 1/3/4" deep well socket,it might work, but no such socket on hand. Otherwise, there isn't enough maneuvering room between the sink and galley walls...

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Large basin wrench, maybe?

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 09:37:14

What are you doing with the pump after you getting it out? Rebuild or replace? If its not a rebuild, it sounds like time for the BFH to come out of the toolkit.

Have you removed teh frame that holds teh drawers in or just the drawers? The whole frame comes out and opens up tonnes of space. See pics here: http://littleboatiris.blogspot.com/2011/04/wires-teach-woodworking.html

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 10:32:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NautiC25
 I think you can take the tube off and then be able to turn the whole faucet around from above, rather than working with the lock ring below...
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This is the approach that worked for me, too. BUT, it requires that the installer filed off a little nub that is on the base of the pump that fits into a smaller hole in the counter top. My nubs were filed off, so to speak, so the faucet would turn. I still ended up losing a fair amount of knuckle skin in the process.

If that still doesn't work I think Earl's suggestion of removing the sink is the next best bet if you can't find a big basin wrench that will fit the nut.

Could you get a C-clamp on the nut and use it as a handle to get a 1/8 turn?

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 12:39:59

Thanks for the advise. I did remove the face of the cabinet. Prospector, I am afraid if I took the hammer to it, the boat would be a pile of rubble and that silly faucet would still be attached to the cabinet top. Howard say's he has a jumbo set of sockets he uses to fix airplanes. So I will try the socket. Earl, I also thought of using the sealant dissolver/remover I got from CD to soften the adhesive holding the sink and taking the sinks out (the four nuts securing the sinks rusted away long ago). I already tried it on the faucet nuts, without any luck. Jonathan, even after eating some more spinach, my arms are still not big enough to hold that nut and spin the faucet out the top.

I'll bet there was some guy at Catalina 20-years ago, that put these things together and said, "I wanta see some SOB get this thing apart!"

Edited by - Arlington on 01/09/2012 12:43:54

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 13:37:51

Dremel with cutting disc! Cut the bottom ring off. Do you want to re-use the pump or replace it?

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Response Posted - 01/09/2012 : 20:57:19

Thanks to Dave Bristle, mine came off by spinning the top, then unscrewing the bottom.
Mine is completely dead now, however I was able to resuscitate it a few years ago by lubricating the diaphragm with petroleum jelly.

If I did end up replacing it, I'd probably just go with another pump. I only use the water-tank water to wash my hands in the head, so I never use the galley pump anyway.

Dremel sounds good or a basin wrench - that's what they're made for. Good luck getting the damned thing out!

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Response Posted - 01/10/2012 : 21:01:15

I'm a little late with this but I change my water line from the pump to the tank every two years. The pump has always worked. I have the two drawers under the sink which I pull out and remove the screws of the drawer box which then comes out. A pad to set on and the strap wrench does get it loose. I pull it up to remove the water line and then pull the new line in to the tank. Refasten the new line making sure the large plastic nut is on the the new line under the counter top. A touch of silicon grease on the threads makes it easier to tighten and then remove the next time. This works for me to help keep the water safe. I also have the large inspection port for the tank cleaning for the next cruise.

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Response Posted - 01/10/2012 : 22:30:20

Scott and Earl did you use a pressure pump similar to this?
I think I may be near a Camping World tomorrow. I found this Jabsco push button faucet handle with a 12V 1-gpm electric pump, and two of those would only be about $130 http://www.marinenutz.com/products/Jabsco-Electric-Galley-Pump-%252d-12v-%26-Faucet.html

Don the largest basin wrench I am finding will take a 1 1/4" nut. Should I be able to locate a larger basin wrench?
http://www.lowes.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&cId=SEARCH&productId=3228212&cm_mmc=SCE_gps-_-gps-_-gps-_-Superior%20Tool%20Ratchet%20Jaw%20Basin%20Wrench%20Attachment&CAWELAID=1023536473

Voyager, if I cut the nut off with my dremel, any suggestions on finding another nut?

Thanks
Doug

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 04:46:45

I like Doug's idea. I like to fix deficiencies with improvements. When I had a new ODay 23 back in 1980-85 timeframe, my manual pump worked fime but I wanted the convenience of an electric pump so you can keep both hands free for washing, etc. At that time, the costs were obviously a lot less expensive than these days but I installed a small water pump into the water line that feeds the manual hand lever faucet and then installed a pushbutton down about 2-3 inches from the cabin floor so that I could lean my knee when crouching or put my foot against the push button to operate the water pump. It worked great.

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 08:24:55

Doug,
I used one of these because I had it on the shelf in the garage.

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/shurflo-fresh-water-pump/20066

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 10:12:43

I haven't done anything with mine yet...just sayin if I do...

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 10:40:22

I used a FloJet. Plenty of sizes for your specific demand on Ebay.

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 14:15:16

If you went this far, Pressurize it...

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 14:44:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sweetcraft
 I'm a little late with this but I change my water line from the pump to the tank every two years. The pump has always worked. I have the two drawers under the sink which I pull out and remove the screws of the drawer box which then comes out. A pad to set on and the strap wrench does get it loose. I pull it up to remove the water line and then pull the new line in to the tank. Refasten the new line making sure the large plastic nut is on the the new line under the counter top. A touch of silicon grease on the threads makes it easier to tighten and then remove the next time. This works for me to help keep the water safe. I also have the large inspection port for the tank cleaning for the next cruise.
Am new owner of '82 25 SR; discovered ice box drain clogged. Tried shifting the thru-hole but without succeeding in getting it to drain. I then tried to remove the drain line atthe tru-hole without success; similarly, I was unable tyo remove the line attached to the galley sink. With freezing temps likely I added anti-freeze. Any thoughts on removing the line either from the tru-hole3 or the galley sink?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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Response Posted - 01/11/2012 : 16:29:27

I like that fresh water wash sprayer....

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Response Posted - 01/12/2012 : 08:34:05

Islander, sorry I missed the last part of your post concerning the icebox drain. I think that if you will search for 'ice box drain' on this forum you will find some solutions. You have a common problem, it seems like Frank Hopper has some good pictures of his fix posted.
My icebox drain hose was full of black algae I flushed out with the garden hose, be sure and flush from inside to outside first or you end up getting gunk spraying out into the galley.
Scott, looks like a nice setup, and a good solution. Today, I'll will be my last effort to get the flippers out with gigantic sockets that Howard loaned to me. If that fails, I have my dremel in the ready position.
Doug

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Response Posted - 01/12/2012 : 11:16:59

Good luck Doug!

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Response Posted - 01/12/2012 : 13:10:49

I converted my boat from a plumbed boat to a non plumbed boat. From this at the galley

to this

I removed the tank for storage and left the vanity sink drainable for a place to drain fluids in the boat. I would have taken out the galley sink except ladies like to put their purse there when sailing.

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Response Posted - 01/12/2012 : 13:53:37

we don't have a sink. thought to add one, but adding another hole in the boat is less desirable than the sink at this time.

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Response Posted - 01/13/2012 : 19:43:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Earl Landers
 When I removed mine to repair the counter top, I removed the sink to get better access. That allowed room to use a wrench on the horizontal plane. It still wasn't an easy job. The threads were very tight for the whole length of the pump body. I replaced with a pressure system,...much nicer.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">How do you remove the sink in the galley?

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Response Posted - 01/13/2012 : 21:25:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mountaineer62
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Earl Landers
 When I removed mine to repair the counter top, I removed the sink to get better access.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">How do you remove the sink in the galley?
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Mine had two or three screws on the bottom side of the counter. Once those were located and removed, I used a long-ish bladed utility knife to cut around the perimeter (horizontally) of the sink. When that was done, the sink was free.

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