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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/09/2011 : 19:24:59

Well, anyway, that's a flag halyard block... It is what it is--"No harm, no foul." Are there some little cleats attached to the shrouds below those blocks? That's a pretty common configuration.

I agree with Frank--that's a sign of somebody who wanted to follow club or national traditions... or it could be somebody who wanted to show something like...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/09/2011 19:33:17

JimGo
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Response Posted - 10/09/2011 : 19:41:34

Yes there are! Now I guess I need to read up on my flag ettiquite.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2011 : 19:41:43

I stopped flying a burgee from the spreader halyard as the incessant slapping of the burgee on the mainsail on certain points of sail was driving me nuts.

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Response Posted - 10/10/2011 : 08:06:51

We usually only fly in the slip.
At our club, if your anchor light is on in the slip the bar is open.

Edited by - pastmember on 10/10/2011 08:33:32

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Response Posted - 10/10/2011 : 13:21:22

Not that we need to go there on this thread.. but what the heck..

Yepper.. my #1 Grlfrnd has always wanted the romance of the flag halyard.. I don't get it .. all that flapping. I've always done everything I can to prevent the flapping, and clanging..

so I've always been on the lookout for another flag location.. like... right up on top i.e. HMS Suprise.

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Response Posted - 10/10/2011 : 17:07:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 Not that we need to go there on this thread.. but what the heck..

Yepper.. my #1 Grlfrnd has always wanted the romance of the flag halyard.. I don't get it .. all that flapping. I've always done everything I can to prevent the flapping, and clanging..

so I've always been on the lookout for another flag location.. like... right up on top i.e. HMS Suprise.

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2/3 up on the backstay works well too.

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Response Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:33:52

Since single handed sailing was mentioned, I would like to add a safety suggestion. When I single hand (in a large, cold lake mostly) I am mindful that going overboard could be fatal. When I leave the cockpit I always put on a harness and tether, which I clip into a Jackline.

My Jacklines are made from old halyards, so there is no expense there. I suggest buying the best quality harness/tether you can find. Others may disagree, but I feel that when sailing alone remaining attached to the boat is more important than wearing a PFD, since rescue is unlikely, and swimming to shore is doubtful.

Single handing is a special pleasure, and it pays to put all the safety odds in your favor.

Congratulations. I am sure you will have a great time with your new C25.

Best,

Jerry

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:35:34

Jerry, that's a good idea, thanks!

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Response Posted - 10/12/2011 : 19:10:08

When there is no chance of rescue it sets up an old saying about single handing. "Falling off of your boat is no different from falling out of an airplane, the same result is inevitable, it just takes longer."

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/12/2011 : 19:25:44

Another one: "The water wants to kill you."

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Response Posted - 10/12/2011 : 19:31:20

So you're saying I should practice single handing close to shore before trying to get to the Bahamas by myself? Where's the fun in that?

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Response Posted - 10/13/2011 : 08:52:32

Well I have to jump in here! My boat is so over rigged it's kinda funny.

I have a non stock traveler and 4 cabin top winches...

and separate jib and spin winches in the cockpit. Count them....8 freaking winches.

I used to have a main hal, spin hal, stay sail hal and jib hal. I've reduced it to three halyards and added roller furling. As it is I use one cabin top winch for cinching up the main after raising it, which is important to flatten it out for heavier days. I use the jib winches and when I fly spin having spin winches is really helpful. I use the extra cabin top winches for my traveler on heavy days. Ideally you want to have a cabin top for your main hal, and if you plan on flying spin add a couple spin winches.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/13/2011 : 09:07:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 Well I have to jump in here!... Count them....8 freaking winches.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Must really impress the laaay-deeees!

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Response Posted - 10/13/2011 : 10:07:24

Peter, thank you! Your post just made me realize why the PO had decided to lower the boom - the wire halyard was causing them to not be able to haul the sail to full extension. Rather than switching to an all-rope halyard, they just lowered the boom.

OK, even more motivation for switching to a rope halyard this winter!

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Response Posted - 10/13/2011 : 14:07:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 Peter, thank you! Your post just made me realize why the PO had decided to lower the boom - the wire halyard was causing them to not be able to haul the sail to full extension. Rather than switching to an all-rope halyard, they just lowered the boom.

OK, even more motivation for switching to a rope halyard this winter!
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Funny you mention that, when I got my new sail a month ago or so I had to lower my boom about 6 inches which is awesome because I have more sail area now.

LOL, Dave, yeah they get serious winch envy.

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Response Posted - 10/14/2011 : 17:12:46

Bella Stephanos!

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Response Posted - 10/15/2011 : 15:02:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cshaw
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 I think somebody here (Don Lucier?) has installed jam cleats (one horn forms a V) in place of the standard horns, so he can do a single wrap around the base of the cleat rather than having to do a "cleat hitch". If I did that, I'd put the "jam" side forward so the first turn doesn't get "jammed" too hard. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Hi Dave,

I use the jam cleats (a V under one horn) for my sheet cleats for the jib and spinnaker. You are quite right with your advice to put the V forward. We just wrap the sheet twice around the base of the cleat and give a little tug to seat the lines (no cleat hitches!). First wrap gets the line into the V, and the 2nd wrap keeps it there. They are fast and easy to use, and easier to get "un"-cleated than "cam" cleats IMHO for lines coming from a winch.

I also share your distrust about "Clam" cleats.....

Cheers!

Chuck
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Hi Chuck -

I'm looking to replace the standard horn cleats on my "new" 81 Catalina 25 with jam cleats as an off-season project. Did you find jam cleats that fit the same holes as the original cleats? If so, do you remember where you found them? I'd like to avoid drilling new holes if at all possible.

Thanks

Tim

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/15/2011 : 15:23:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sagetips
 ...Did you find jam cleats that fit the same holes as the original cleats? If so, do you remember where you found them?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Welcome, Tim!

Defender carries Schaefer's 5" aluminum jam cleats, which are 1-5/16" center-to-center. [url="http://schaeferhardware.com//detail.aspx?ID=1027"]Schaefer's 6" jam[/url] is 1-1/2" c/c, but I don't know who has them other than Schaefer. So what do your cleats measure?

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/15/2011 15:35:06

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Response Posted - 10/16/2011 : 16:57:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sagetips
Hi Chuck -

I'm looking to replace the standard horn cleats on my "new" 81 Catalina 25 with jam cleats as an off-season project. Did you find jam cleats that fit the same holes as the original cleats? If so, do you remember where you found them? I'd like to avoid drilling new holes if at all possible.

Thanks

Tim
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Tim, I bought mine almost 35 years ago, so I am afreaid I do not remember where I got them. Sorry! Yes, the holes were very very close to the original holes.

Chuck

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/16/2011 : 19:49:38

[url="http://www.mauriprosailing.com/product/SCH6080.html"]Mauri Pro[/url] has both sizes that I mentioned. They're well-known and (as I understand it) reputable folks--not necessarily price-competitive with Defender and some others.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 10/16/2011 19:52:25

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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 11:22:28

Thanks for the responses. I got down to my boat today and measured the mounting holes on my existing cleats at 1-5/8" center-to-center...none of the Schaefer's match up exactly!#* Thought it would be a simple swap-out, but I guess I'll need to look at Plan B or plan on doing some drilling...

Tim

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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 13:47:42

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pastmember
 Bella Stephanos!
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Thank you!

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 13:54:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Well, anyway, that's a flag halyard block... It is what it is--"No harm, no foul." Are there some little cleats attached to the shrouds below those blocks? That's a pretty common configuration.

I agree with Frank--that's a sign of somebody who wanted to follow club or national traditions... or it could be somebody who wanted to show something like...

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Ha! I love my flags, they also serve as wind indicators as well. I have two flag halyards so I fly two 3X5 pirate flags. I get them for about $6.00 a piece on Amazon and they have led to many a social occasion as it makes me real easy to find on the lake. That is the primary purpose of the flags...

On this day as we came back a powerboat pulled in next to me. Apparently his little boy asked his dad, "Can we park next to the pirate ship?" The C-27 I race on is in the background, we pulled in for a bite to eat...

Edited by - PCP777 on 10/18/2011 13:55:57

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Response Posted - 10/18/2011 : 20:12:09

Peter, those are awesome! I may have to convince my wife that something like that would be appropriate! :)

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Response Posted - 10/25/2011 : 20:21:21

Don, I gave your technique a try the last two times I was out, and I couldn't get it to work! I really appealed to the "frugal" side of me, but I had a heck of a time getting the line to grab, or getting it free when I wanted to release the jib. The cams are much easier.

Dave (Stinkpotter), I was looking over your cam cleat configuration again and really appreciate the simple beauty of it. I think that's what I'm going to use, although I may wind up putting in a second set that's close to where Frank (Pastmember) has his.

Frank, I can see the appeal in using clams at the back, but every time I've used clams I've always been compelled to push the line down so it sits well into the cleat. I guess, since the front of the clam really has all the grip anyway, I'm probably just being too anal.

So, if I were to go Frank's route, I could order [url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|295771|312060&id=90299"]two of these clam cleats[/URL] and either [url="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|295771|311612&id=90145"]two of these cam cleats[/URL] or [URL="http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|295771|311655&id=1004052"]two of these cam cleats[/URL]. Am I right?

If I went with two sets of cam's, I would double up on the number of cam cleats.

Edited by - JimGo on 10/25/2011 20:32:21

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