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135% or 150% furling genoa?

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rhogan62
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Initially Posted - 09/16/2011 : 11:14:40

Hi,

I am thinking of upgrading my c-25 std rig roller furling headsail to either a 135% or 150% Genoa. I will be sailing off shore in southern California and I would like to know, if I can only buy one sail, which would be better. I know I can furl the 150 in stronger winds, but will it lose sail shape and effect performance too much?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 12:46:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rhogan62
 Hi,

I am thinking of upgrading my c-25 std rig roller furling headsail to either a 135% or 150% Genoa. I will be sailing off shore in southern California and I would like to know, if I can only buy one sail, which would be better. I know I can furl the 150 in stronger winds, but will it lose sail shape and effect performance too much?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I opted for the middle ground, with a 140% genoa for my present boat, a C&C 35. It gives me a skosh more sail area for the Chesapeake Bay's light air, but still keeps decent shape when furled. When the 140 isn't enough sail, I use a cruising spinnaker, not only for sailing downwind, but it also points halfway decently, while generating good speed.

But, my suggestion is, talk to a good, local sailmaker. Tell him what kind of boat you have and where and how you intend to sail it, and let him recommend a sail that will be well suited to your needs. A sailmaker should know your local conditions best.

Edited by - Steve Milby on 09/16/2011 12:50:46

John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 16:21:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by rhogan62
 Hi,

I am thinking of upgrading my c-25 std rig roller furling headsail to either a 135% or 150% Genoa. I will be sailing off shore in southern California and I would like to know, if I can only buy one sail, which would be better. I know I can furl the 150 in stronger winds, but will it lose sail shape and effect performance too much?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
But, my suggestion is, talk to a good, local sailmaker. Tell him what kind of boat you have and where and how you intend to sail it, and let him recommend a sail that will be well suited to your needs. A sailmaker should know your local conditions best.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What Steve said. If not a sailmaker, at leat some folks on the neighborhod, i.e. your marina. I opted for a 135%. I think that's the right sail for my conditions. Conditions may vary.

There are some So. Cal. members that'll chime in. If you can be more specific about your location, you might find a member in the neighborhood.

Edited by - John Russell on 09/16/2011 16:25:02

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Response Posted - 09/16/2011 : 17:41:49

I had a 135 built with a full hoist and with as low a clew as possible for a furling sail. I also had the chord flattened a bit so it held its shape better as it reefed. I also had an additional row of tell tales on the sail at 100%. The additional sail area made up for the flatter shape.

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gop711
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Response Posted - 09/23/2011 : 10:16:09

I was thinking about the samething a few years back and I asked Frank H. and he recomended the 135. I followed his advice and I have been please. I cruise and race on a lake in all kinds of wind. I have a 90 TR wing keel.

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rhogan62
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Response Posted - 10/28/2011 : 11:04:20

I ended up going with a135% from Chip with Hyde Sails in San Diego. I got a great deal and received it within three weeks on the day he said it would be there. The price is $595 and the sails are built from 6oz cloth, with Sunbrella on the leech and foot and a foam luff for easy roller reefing. You can contact Chip if interested at sailmakerchip@gmail.com

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At Ease
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Response Posted - 10/28/2011 : 15:31:37

I got the 150. If the winds are light, I use the full 150, if the winds are higher, I roll it up a bit. Since I do not race, it's the best of both worlds.

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nitecard
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Response Posted - 10/31/2011 : 15:33:20

Hi, I sail a Jaguar 25 (identical to the Catalina 25 I think) in the UK, mainly in the Thames Estuary and East of England.

It has been very interesting reading these posts as it is exactly what I have been thinking about recently as my genoa needs replacing.

I have a 150% furling genoa, I don't have any real problems with it except, sometimes, when trying to do slick tacks, also on the occasions when I do furl it, there is not much difference in performance.

I recently took part in a six hour race with constant 28 mph winds, I didn't furl the sails at all, the boat handled very well, albeit a little nervewracking at times!

Generally the boat points very well and has very good upwind performance.

After reading your posts I think I will be downsizing the genoa either 135/140.

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Response Posted - 10/31/2011 : 16:41:08

Welcome aboard nitecard. We have liked the Jaguar for years. Are you a twin keel? If I recall some of the Jaguars have mid boom sheeting which we wish ours had.

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nitecard
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Response Posted - 11/01/2011 : 16:13:06

Thanks.

My boat is a twin keel - or bilge keel - I have a drying mooring so it essential here.

I do have mid boom sheeting, with the traveller just by the hatch, it works well. I do a lot of single hand sailing and have brought most of the line aft.

All in all a nice boat and the design has not really aged that much.

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