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Prospector
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 09:08:20

Also... Is it rigged original? Especially with the mainsheet, be sure no one between the original owner and you has replaced the sheaves or cleats with anything takes larger/smaller diameter line, or has re-routed a line, any of these could make teh manual worthless as a reference.

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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 14:10:20

Good point....looking at the parts manual, the mainsheet has 4 lines in the tackle...mine only has 3....

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Response Posted - 09/10/2011 : 09:24:22

So I need to replace my genoa sheets and I'm wondering what everyone recommends for brand, size, style?

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Response Posted - 09/10/2011 : 19:00:19

Depends a lot on your primary usage of the boat. For smooth flowing of the line through the <s>sheets</s> blocks, I really like BZZZ line, but the largest diameter I have found is 8mm or 5/16ths. However, it might be a bit small in high wind conditions on a C-25. It is a single braid line. Salsa is another very good single braid, available in 9.5mm or 3/8", but more expensive than BZZZ. single braids are supposed to be easier on the hands. In double braid line, a basic and very good line is Sta-Set. I've also become very interested in a Canadian line called XLE. I like the feel of XLE more than Sta-Set. FSA Robline is another good option. That's on my C-22.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 06:08:45

Thank you David. What diameter do most of you use for your genoa sheets? My old sheets were 1/2" Sta-Set which seemed heavy in tlight winds. I looked at 5/16" last weekend but it seemed to bottom out in the groove in the self-tailer and I was afraid after the sheets were used for a awhile it would be prone to slip.

Edit: I looked at 3/8" sheets not 5/16.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 06:22:17

I have 2 sets of Genoa Sheets. I like the fatter ones better. I would go with the largest diameter your sheetleads will allow.

I also prefer 2 lines tied with a bowline, although I still have one that is a single line, connected to the clew with a cow-hitch. I have changed my position on this many times and reserve te right to do so again. If you have crew to skirt the sail in light winds, then two bowlines win hands down. If not, then it is debatable which is the best way to go.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 06:26:38

I would go with 3/8" for general use genoa sheets. Again, I'm impressed with the XLE line and would buy that if I was looking for new sheets. My 8mm BZZZ line sheets work well for me, especially in light air, but my winches are not self-tailing. for heavier air, I've also got 3/8" Sta-set sheets, and even thicker line that came with the working jib when i bought the boat, feels like 7/16" or 1/2".

Edit: I believe that the Canadian made XLE line is a competitor to Samson XLS.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:37:49

I liked 3/8" Regatta, a single-braid from New England Rope. Never got around to buying it for my boat, but used it on some others. I haven't used other single-braid brands, but am quite sold on concept for sheets. Not only is it easier on the hands, it coils more easily and doesn't tend to "hockle"--I believe that's the buzz-word for getting little knots that cause tangles when it's twisted--could be wrong.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:45:25

I was going to go with Regatta but read on another site it doesn't wear well when used as sheets and run through self-tailers. Not sure if that is accurate or not. It was very confortable on the hands in the store.

If someone has used Regatta I'd like to hear about your experiences with wear.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:47:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Joe Diver
 Good point....looking at the parts manual, the mainsheet has 4 lines in the tackle...mine only has 3....<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Mine was rigged 4:1, and I often thought about changing it to 3 (but never at a time when I could actually do it). With 4:1, the pull was always very light but excessively "long". (That was on a standard rig.)

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 07:52:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 If someone has used Regatta I'd like to hear about your experiences with wear.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'll try to remember to ask a friend who uses it on self-tailers on his 30-footer.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 08:14:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 If someone has used Regatta I'd like to hear about your experiences with wear.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I'll try to remember to ask a friend who uses it on self-tailers on his 30-footer.
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Thanks Dave, I would appreciate it.

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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 08:57:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 So I need to replace my genoa sheets and I'm wondering what everyone recommends for brand, size, style?
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I use 3/8" Samson XLS Extra T.

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Ryan L
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Response Posted - 09/11/2011 : 22:22:24

We switched to Regatta for our jib sheets a few months ago and so far it's performed perfectly (even with self tailing winches). I can see how it could easily snag on some things but it hasn't been an issue for us. We like it enough that today we switched our mainsheet to Regatta. We had sta-set before. Regatta is much more comfortable on the hands and runs more fair through leads (in our experience). It is far more forgiving of twists etc that form when people do not know how to correctly handle line. Again, the main downside, as we see it, is the somewhat loose nature of the treads. Not an issue of there's nothing to snag on.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 I was going to go with Regatta but read on another site it doesn't wear well when used as sheets and run through self-tailers. Not sure if that is accurate or not. It was very confortable on the hands in the store.

If someone has used Regatta I'd like to hear about your experiences with wear.
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 09/12/2011 : 04:00:06

Similar to Don, I replaced my genoa and jib sheets with Sampson XLS Extra T a couple of years ago or so. They have been fine. I do not recall what size but I matched with what was original and contained on the Cat Specs/Dwgs which are located elsewhere on this web site. I also replaced the halyards - Jib halyard with Sampson XLS Extra T but I do not use it since I have a furling rig. Sampson XLS Extra T is low stretch but with the main halyard, I went with Sampson Warpspeed which is even lower stretch....but costlier....something like $1/ft more.

If you want to get fancy, you can get the port sheets/halyards with a red tracer in the line and the starboard lines with a green tracer. The tracer lines will cost a slight bit more than solid white...Just for the color specifics but strength, etc is the same. When I replaced the main and jib sheets first and believe I wnet with solid white. Last year, I replaced the halyards and I used tracer line for those.

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