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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 00:28:31

This is a great fast moving thread. I like reading all the comments and have learned tons in a few days. Bigelowp mentioned above about a boat in NH at a car dealership that's $2k obo. I'd be interested in a link or something on that one. Gary B, I think her story is correct. It seems as though the husband sailed quite a bit when he was younger on the west coast. It appears as though they bought the boat two years ago with dreams of sailing it, but it's sat in the yard since and perhaps she has develped arthiritis since then. Who knows for sure I guess. Another thing to add the icing on the cake is that they don't currently have the title. It was lost and they are trying to get in touch with the prior owner about it, but he's currently in Afganastan.

Anyway, I got an email from her today thanking me for coming to look at the boat and that her husband enjoyed our (I took my neighboor along) visit. I replied graciously, but then also told her I needed to be up front with her about taking the pictures and posting them online to get more opinions. I told her how grim the response was and that likely her boat was a total basket case. I did however point out that the only true way to know would likely be a professional survey and that I was nothing of the sort. I also mentioned that I'd be willing to give her a few hundred bucks to take it off her hands stating that I would strip it for parts to recoup my oosts as well as perhaps make a small profit for my trouble. Not too long ago I saw an ad on the local craigslist looking for an old boat hull to park in the yard for the kids to use as a "pirate ship" . Perfect way to unload the remaining hull for free. We'll see what she says.
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 06:36:20

Chris:

If you do a "craigslook" (global search of craigslist), hit "boats", type in "catalina 25" you will find 10 pages of posts dating back six weeks. Some of the boats are Chris Craft Catalina's (power) some are Capri 25's and some are Catalina 250's -- BUT I counted over 20 Catalina 25's for UNDER $5k -- and there were several in the $2,500- $3,500 range. Regarding teh boat I had previously mentioned, I did not see the boat that the Plastow, NH car dealer had listed back in July.

The Catalina 25 is a great boat. I did a pretty major rehab a few years ago -- it can be done. But, if I knew then what I know know (how long/costly some, what seem to be "simple" repairs can be), I would have held out for a boat in better condition. It's easy to fix/replace rudder, rigging, sails, etc, etc, but make sure a qualified survey is conducted on al of teh hull -- where hidden issues can be deal breakers.

Most of all, welcome to the forum and enjoy the search!

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 13:07:41

I appreciate all the advice guys, I have learned a lot already.

So early this morning the wife emailed me thanking me for my honest thoughts on the boat and she would certainly take it under advisement. Then just a few hours later her husband called and asked if I would like it for $500. I told him I would need to get back to him. When I emailed them earlier I said that I might be willing to take it off their hands for a few hundred to part it out so the question now remains do you guys think I can get that money back listing stiff in the for sale forum?

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 13:09:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dubbinchris
 I appreciate all the advice guys, I have learned a lot already.

So early this morning the wife emailed me thanking me for my honest thoughts on the boat and she would certainly take it under advisement. Then just a few hours later her husband called and asked if I would like it for $500. I told him I would need to get back to him. When I emailed them earlier I said that I might be willing to take it off their hands for a few hundred to part it out so the question now remains do you guys think I can get that money back listing stuff in the for sale forum?
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 13:16:57

You get more than that in the value of the trailer if it's in as good shape as it appears in your photo. It might need new tires. But, you might want to hold onto the trailer until you find the right boat for you. Many are sold without trailers. Just to give you an idea about parts value, new interior cushions from Catalina Direct (a major supplier of Catalina parts) is nearly $1500 - $2,000. If you can get the keel to a scrap iron recycler, it could net a couple of hundred maybe. It weighs 1500 pounds I think.

Getting rid of the hull could be a headache, though.

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Stuff4Toys
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 16:19:55

Makes my $600 barnacle encrusted sweetie look like a dream boat.

I agree, strip off anything made of metal, keep the trailer and crush the rest.

Oh yeah, only give him $500 for the boat & trailer.
JOhn ><>

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islander
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 16:30:56

The trailer alone is a hot item, Just look at the swap meet on this forum. Well worth $500 even if it needs some work.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 17:47:20

Offer them even less... This is a complete basket case and a major headache to deal with. You can make some money... But enough to make it worth your trouble?

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 17:57:28

Yes the plan is to certainly offer him less. As far as the hull is concerned I know for sure my neighbor is having a really really big bon fire in a few weeks. It may not be the most environmentally responsible but when it's all done burning I can winch the keel onto a trailer and haul it to the metal scrap yard. Also I still may be able to donate the hull as a play toy. How would one separate the keel from the hull? Is it just bolted essentially?

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 18:35:01

Another thing I found out from the wife is that their son apparently bought the boat with money he owed them and now is moving to Washington and is leaving it behind.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 18:39:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dubbinchris
 ...How would one separate the keel from the hull? Is it just bolted essentially?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Chain saw and a VERY GOOD RESPIRATOR AND TYVEX SUIT.

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 19:03:37

I'm a respiratory therapist by profession so I should have access to a good respirator.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:26:36

I could not tell from the pictures, what type interior does it have, traditional or dinette? If traditional, I might be interested in the cushions.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:32:38

The 1900# cast iron keel is bolted on with nuts visible in the bilge, plus probably a bunch of 3M 5200 or similar adhesive sealer. You'll probably find the bolts and nuts are fused together by rust.

I hope you're kidding about the bondfire... Fiberglass makes a lot of very toxic smoke--I've seen boat fires like [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZnjAYG3XM0"]this one[/url]. In fact, I hope you're kidding about having anything to do with this.

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 20:32:43

I'm not 100% sure of the difference. I think you can tell from the table IIRC. In either case I think the table was fixed as opposed to the style that fold up against the bulkhead, so whatever style that is.

Chris

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 07:16:10

A common interior in the first few years was the "L Dinette", which has a table on a pedestal and an L settee against the port side and forward bulkhead. Then came the "Dinette" with two facing seats on port with the table between them, and the "Traditional" with a full-length settee on port and a table that folds up onto the forward bulkhead. The latter was probably the most popular because it allowed a more open, spacious salon. The two "dinette" configurations, with their drop-down tables, are easier to "bridge" to the starboard settee for an "athwartship" queen-sized bed.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 08:59:55

My 1979 boat has an L dinette I miss the table and need to build one this winter. I'm also still looking for cushions.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 10:13:00

You will VERY much regret for so many reasons (personal safety, environmental danger, visibility and disposing the melted remains, etc) even thinking about the bon-fire approach to getting rid of the hull. My advice would be to talk to a car junk/scrap yard – explain the situation. Sometimes they will dispose of the hull in exchange for the value they can gain from the keel. If you can do that then strip the boat thoroughly of all spars/rigging, wood, cushions, stanchions, hatches – anything you could possibly sell and then give the carcass to the junk guy. If you can not pre-arrange for the disposal of the hull, I would pass and get back to your primary goal, finding a good sailable boat.

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KiteKraemer
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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 11:45:22

I'll restate from the 1st reply.,,"Run Run Run"

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 14:52:47

Off to go get it for $400

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 16:32:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dubbinchris
 Off to go get it for $400
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In the true spirit of adventure! Let us know when you start selling stuff.

Carlos

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dubbinchris
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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 17:25:52

Well let the fun and requests for parts begin. It's sitting in my front yard now. God what have I gotten myself into? Haha

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 17:42:03

The most effective approach is to remove everything usable (including pulpits, hatches, and teak), label it and then publish a list on the Swap Meet. I, personally, would be much less willing to climb aboard and unbolt a genoa track in the middle of winter.

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 17:46:26

If there's a whisker pole I call dibs.

Carlos

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 17:53:07

Get us some pictures of the boat inside and out and we'll start ordering?

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