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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 09/20/2010 : 14:25:33

I installed a system much like the picture of Andy's. In fact, I sail with him and copied the set-up. Initially, I was concerned about hitting my chins, but in reality never have. My wife has not either. The advantage of the traveller forward, is the helmsman can move forward and still handle the main sheet. We sail on Payette Lake Idaho, and tend to have gusty and shifty lake winds. When we race, one person can handle the main while going to weather.

As for the loads, there is really no issue moving the sheeting point forward on the boom. The bail on the boom and the traveller can more than handle the loads. Personally, I am much more used to having the main sheet forward of the tiller. A much more natural setup for the human anatomy.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/20/2010 : 16:54:46

Tom, thanks for sharing your results - especially about this particular configuration - as it is our favorite. The lack of hitting your shins was a concern for us.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 00:15:01

P.O. removed the original traveller and added just the eye in the middle of the cockpit. Cannot say its bad. I'm used to it from my previous boats. I dont know if the traveller really helps especialy when you sail on the narrow river and you have to swing the boom pretty often :)

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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 12:34:23

Interesting modifications. Is that a sugar scoop addition, arch, hull port, and bow pulpit addition to a C25? You are ready for some serious cruising!

As for the traveller, There are a couple of other advantages. First you have more control of the main sheeting angle and thus the twist at the top of the main. Second, when sailing in gusty wind, we will drop the traveller car down if we need to dump air to keep from rounding up. While racing, this can be very effective with one person on the traveller and one person on the helm, working together to keep the boat balanced.

The downside of the non standard traveller configuration, is it is not a "Legal" modification as far as I know. This only effects racing in Association sanctioned events or fleet races. We have at least three C25's that have this mod in our club and this may be one of the reasons there has been reluctance to form an official "Fleet". (Although some of us would like to).

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 18:46:07

Tomas, it is rare to see modfications that acutally improve on original designs - but I think you have certainly achieved it!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 19:17:05

It's hard to see if the bowsprit has any hardware for rigging a spinnaker, and there seems to be no anchor roller up there. What is the purpose of the fancy looking bowsprit?

With these interesting extensions, this C-25 may have become a C-28 or so.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 19:27:54

The lens that's been added to the forward hatch looks pretty nice! Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do when you think about it. Cut a hole in the hatch, route out a lip, lay down a bead of 4200 or lifecaulk, and lay the lens in place.

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 02:18:07

My boat has been advanced by some of the previous owners. That swim platform (sugar scoop) misleaded me that its not really a Catalian 25 at the first look, but its very useful and fibreglass work is pretty good.

Here in Czech Rep. we have a pretty shallow waters and bowsprits are often used to anchor near the shore and to step over on the land with dry foot.
It has also two steps beneath it so I will have to put the anchor roller there in some angle to the right or left. But I have some plans to do that in the near future.

Yes, it could be good for gennaker or asym. spin. but I have only the symetrical spin. so for now, its just a fancy ladder

About the lens in the forward hatch, GeryB, you are right. Its not so hard. Its done exactly as you said.

C25 is a nice cruiser, but when I compare it with the boat of my brother (Avar Vento 26 aka Tango Family 780 from year 2001)

Catalina seems to be faster

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 07:18:13

Tom,

That's one "pimped out" C-25. Awesome.

Looks like I'm developing a crack on the interior of my cabin from the strain on the port side from my modified traveler. I'll try to take some pics and post them tonight.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 07:30:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 . . . That's one "pimped out" C-25 . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Tomas, how do you say "pimped out" in the West Slavic language?

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 08:39:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by skrenz
 I took an entirely different approach from what I have read in the forum. When I got my boat, the PO had moved the traveler from the stock position in the pushpit to across the seats in front of the companionway. I personally can not abide this set up nor do I believe that the boom was designed for this load to be moved from the end to the middle of the boom.
But to each their own.
Without a doubt, the stock traveler is pretty dumb. Essentially, it just not long enough to be effective. So what I did was move the harken traveler that the PO had installed by the companionway to the top of the transom just inside of the pushpit stanchions. This now gives me a traveler of a reasonable and effective length, keeps the sheet attachment at the end of the boom where it was designed to be and moves the traveler out of the traffic lane by the companionway.
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I believe that the gain in adding the Harken traveler at the transom is too small to be worthwhile. (Harken will custom bend one for you if you like), the problem is the transom of the 25 is simply too narrow, combine that with the angle from the transom to the boom end tang and you gain very little in terms of sail shape control; which is the point. (True you gain a few inches of windard sheeting which I would use but most people never cross the centerline anyway.) The main's shape on a 25 is a function of the vang and those forces are huge, greater than I was comfortable with with my 82 and the crappy gooseneck of the vast majority of 25s. Because the boom handles the load of the vang doing all of the work it would be easier on the boom to have mid boom sheeting than to continue to use the vang all of the time. I would probably use at least two bales to distribute the load anyway but I believe the vang demonstrates it is unnecessary. I had a seat based companionway traveler on a boat many years ago and it was a tripper, the added range of effective arc for the traveler would justify going cabin-top if I were going to do it.

my two cents

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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 11:51:02

I think Tomas Kruska's boat is actually a Catalina/Capri 26. I was unaware of their existence, but follow this thread: http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21944&SearchTerms=catalina,26. And this link: http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/details.aspx?seot=1&R=3153179&silo=1408&__Nne=5&__N=604%20896%20&intref=sr-bnbis-results-stock

Sorry, but I don't know how to embed links, pictures. etc on the forum.

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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 11:52:13

I guess I do!

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 12:16:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tjarnold
 I think Tomas Kruska's boat is actually a Catalina/Capri 26.
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hehe... nice try, but C26 has completly different interier and the swim platform is also different. Will post more pictures soon :)

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 12:59:56

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tomas Kruska
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tjarnold
 I think Tomas Kruska's boat is actually a Catalina/Capri 26.
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hehe... nice try, but C26 has completly different interier and the swim platform is also different. Will post more pictures soon :)
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree that it's a C25, not a Capri 26. Look at the sliding hatch. The C25 and Capri 26 sliding hatches are completely different, and the Capri 26 is beamier.

Yours is a beauty, Tomas!

Have the modifications changed the length of the waterline? The normal C25 lwl is longer than most built during it's era, which helps account for it's good speed. If it has been increased, it should be fast by comparison with similarly sized boats.

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Tjarnold
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Response Posted - 09/22/2010 : 21:16:34

I agree, Sure is a beauty!

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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 01:58:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
Tomas, how do you say "pimped out" in the West Slavic language?

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I would say "Ona je vymazlená". Thanks all for the compliments :)
One of the P.O. made a massive investment. Just a new Volvo Penta with sail drive was $11000 back in 2001.

LWL has been slightly extended, I dont know exactly, but I would say something around 1 foot.

On the other hand, there are some issues with cracked deck laminate bellow the stern pulpit stachions, roten core plywood (due to fact that PO sealed everything with just ordinary silicone!), delamination, rusted keel bolts, but she is fully equipped. I can fix all that by myself but will need some time.
In the first time I wanted no-maintenance boat because I already had an wooden sail boat, but all of them were far above my budget.
I hope that after all these repairs it will last for more 30 years

PS: Never use a silicon on the boat. Period.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 06:12:48

The companionway traveler may be a tripper and the cabintop traveler may be a head banger. The factory traveler system flips off hats and glasses, can leave rope burns on your neck and leaves skipper and crew competing for the same seat in the aft leeward corner.

My vote is the companionway traveler as it allows crew to remain seated in the cockpit and have a good mechanical advantage for sheeting the main. Besides, if I hit my hard head might on a cabintop traveler I might damage it.

Edited by - OJ on 09/23/2010 06:15:07

OJ
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 06:14:26

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Ditto, ditto, ditto

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Even Chance
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 14:07:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 The companionway traveler may be a tripper and the cabintop traveler may be a head banger. The factory traveler system flips off hats and glasses, can leave rope burns on your neck and leaves skipper and crew competing for the same seat in the aft leeward corner.

My vote is the companionway traveler as it allows crew to remain seated in the cockpit and have a good mechanical advantage for sheeting the main. Besides, if I hit my hard head might on a cabintop traveler I might damage it.
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I've never tripped over mine, which is at the same level as the companionway sill, rather than across the seat tops.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 15:04:15

I just modified the control lines by using turning blocks, brought them to mid-cockpit on the sides.
I'm still class legal and the crew can now adjust the traveler - which, by the way, we use very often with good results.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 16:40:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Even Chance
 I've never tripped over mine, which is at the same level as the companionway sill, rather than across the seat tops.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Brooke, are you the one that posted a picture of the traveler mounted on the companionway sill? But you are saying even with the sill . . .

Edited by - OJ on 09/23/2010 16:41:43

Even Chance
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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 19:36:50

OJ, it's not "on" the sill -- it's a teak 2x4 mounted just aft of the sill at the same level. And no, neither I nor anyone else on the boat has ever tripped on it. It's in the Tech Tips.

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